Posts by BluesBrother

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Just how much of a dramatic FLOP is this NEW LIGHT?

by Terry in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1xpxxtqvys.

your opinion, please, on the above video.

1. before jesus, humans were judged either by the law (jews and converts) or by natural law (noahide law).

BluesBrother

Jackson said (as I recall) “Up to know we have believed that the practicing of good or vile things occurs after their resurrection in the New World “

Er.. No.. in all my years of believing, up the end of the 1990s, I was taught that it was about what they had done in their first life. Those who had practiced vile things would find it harder, perhaps too difficult to change and be righteous. For those ones it would turn out to be a res. of judgment because after a time to give them opportunities they would be “removed” ie. zapped from on high by Jesus,

Now perhaps in recent years they had changed it and I missed it , but that is what I , and I am sure others always understood..

Mind you, it is all a nonsense anyway.. it saddens me to think of the time I spent believing this stuff and the years I lived in hope of seeing dear old Mother again. Oh well, onwards with eyes open now

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Recent Annual Meeting - Asking for Clarification

by truth_b_known in

would someone in the know please clarify for me some alleged comments given from the governing body at the recent/yet to be streamed for the rank and file annual meeting?.

it is my understanding that samuel herd basically tells the rank and file that old light is new light and the new light of july, 2013 is now old light.

to be specific, herd states that the official stance on whether or not the annointed remaining on earth, to include the governing body, will all be in heaven prior to armageddon.. at this same annual meeting tony morris iii tells those in attendance that stephen letts' statement that "we're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days!

BluesBrother

Anthony Morris, As I recall, talked about the popular view in the 1970s that kids would never grow up in this system. He omitted to mention that this had been printed in the literature, instead poured scorn on those that said it.

His theme was on keeping going no matter what or how long they have been doing.

I did not see it as disputing that the end was near.

I wish I could find the thread that discussed it but I cannot.

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Congregation in PA sues over mandatory reporting

by Corney in

ivy hill congregation of jehovah's witnesses is currently suing the pa department of human services.

it requests "a declaration that its elders are entitled to" clergy privilege, or, in the alternative,.

to the extent that the clergyman privilege is determined to exclude its elders on the basis that they are "members of [a] religious organization[] in which members other than the leader thereof are deemed clergymen or ministers," the court declare the statute to be unconstitutional.

BluesBrother

I agree with the last post…. This would have come from HQ…

they want clergy privilege?

First question should be “ Does your organisation have a clergyman class?”

Answer ..No.

end of.

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Consumption of Blood

by MikeJH in

i am new to this and recently converted, so please forgive my ignorance.. i am trying not to sin and don't understand something.

it says in leviticus that you cannot consume blood, so no blood transfusions.

i understand this.

BluesBrother

Try again fora link to ajwrb

https://www.ajwrb.org/

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Consumption of Blood

by MikeJH in

i am new to this and recently converted, so please forgive my ignorance.. i am trying not to sin and don't understand something.

it says in leviticus that you cannot consume blood, so no blood transfusions.

i understand this.

BluesBrother

All the years that I was in, we used to say that provided the meat had come from a commercial abattoir then it would have been bled , thus complying with God’s law .It is the venous blood that matters not the residue in the fibres of the meat.

Food is not usually a problem, it is the application of that rule to medical transfusion of blood that causes an issue. I would recommend the website ajwrb.com

if you read there you will know more about the issue than most Witnesses.

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Watchtower Study on 5th December.

by Lost in the fog in

the wt study for this week is all about disfellowshipping.

in an early paragraph it said "think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!".

however when you think about it, when this happened according to the wt teaching, jehovah still engaged with satan in the heavens (book of job) and had conversations with him about what was going on in the earth.. so why do the wt org practice shunning when jehovah god obviously didn't?.

BluesBrother

I am indebted to Paul Grundy’s site JW Facts for the information that Disfellowshipping , as we know it, only came in 1952… just 5 years after they published the above quote.

So for over 70 years they existed without it .

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If Ever GB Members Deserved To Be Thrown in Jail It's When ...

by smiddy3 in

it was when the governing body started to disfellow-ship jehovah`s witnesses from taking blood transfusions in an effort to save their lives .. resulting in many hundreds if not thousands of needless deaths of men women and children who by this coercion died from this doctrine.. and to this day they still go unpunished .

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BluesBrother

Ultimate responsibility does, it is true , rest with successive GBodies who have interpreted the Scriptures in the way they have and over stated medical risks - but at the end of the day it is the individual who decides what to do with himself.

Dubs are conditioned to view blood as a toxic treatment which will not only bring down the wrath of God but probably infect them with something nasty , to boot.

The one’s I know would as soon put human s##t in their bodies than accept blood .

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Watchtower Study on 5th December.

by Lost in the fog in

the wt study for this week is all about disfellowshipping.

in an early paragraph it said "think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!".

however when you think about it, when this happened according to the wt teaching, jehovah still engaged with satan in the heavens (book of job) and had conversations with him about what was going on in the earth.. so why do the wt org practice shunning when jehovah god obviously didn't?.

BluesBrother

They always talk about the one who leaves the “truth “ and his home and family... all too often it is the other way around. A person leaves the .Org. and is shunned by those he loves.

Also they call it “Leaving Jehovah “ but many do not lose faith in god, just the Watchtower.

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Child pornography should NOT be automatically handled by a judicial committee

by pistolpete in

new information added to the "shepherd the flock elder's book" .

they have updated their policy on viewing child pornography.. from a congregation standpoint it is not viewed as child sex abuse and is something that should not be automatically handled by a judicial committee.

it states that a person viewing child pornography should be strongly counseled.

BluesBrother

The 2021 “shepherding The Flock” book chapter 13

”The deliberate viewing of pornography is a sin. (Matt. 5:28, 29) It can result in an addiction to sex, perverted desires, and seri- ous marital problems. (Prov. 6:27; lvs pp. 121-123 pars. 9-12) How- ever, not all cases require handling by a judicial committee.—See 12:1-2; w12 3/15 pp. 30-31; w06 7/15 p. 31.

3. An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps over a considerable period of time, abhorrent forms of pornography would be consid- ered gross uncleanness with greediness and needs to be handled judicially “

[Edit .. Aborrent forms included child porn .. ] Blues.

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Did you at one time Believe-that you were not going to die. Does your still in JW spouse still believe?

by pistolpete in

this magazine says it all!.

and many of the older jws believed at one point in their life that they would make it through the great tribulation and into the 1000 year reign of christ without dying.

which is why so many jws stayed in so long.. is the main reason why jws ignore all the child abuse, the end of door to door service, and the closing of kingdom hall for almost two years----because they still believe they will not die?.

BluesBrother

Yes to both questions... of course we believed that .... it was our faith and the WT promised it. We were special, the unique generation that would not have to die.

Today though the oldies are resigned to death and resurrection, but the end result will be the same.

I haven’t discussed it with any young dubs but I suppose they still expect to live on through to the New World