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  Weekly Bible Reading for week of January 9 - 15, 2006

  by TheListener in

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  2. bible

  2 chronicles 33 - 36.

  36: 17 so he brought up against them the king of the chalde ans, who proceeded to kill their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, neither did he feel compassion for young man or virgin, old or decrepit.

  everything he gave into his hand.

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  Thanks PP. I'll give it a read through.
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  The Preaching Work

  by TheListener in

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  2. beliefs

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  david2002 and i discussed this issue a little bit in a previous thread and agreed to discuss is in another thread.. david2002 i have created the thread but i will leave the first post to you.. please explain your viewpoint on door to door preaching and its biblical foundation.

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  Yes, the thread got buried rather quickly. I just want to reiterate that this thread is about the door to door preaching and not general telling of the gospel (good news). One additional thing; I'm no expert about this and I am certainly not trained in debating. I just want to discuss this with someone because it interests me and my mind has changed on the matter since I was a regular pioneer.

  I see that you quoted extensively from Godbey. That's ok by me. However, he was sort of an odd duck. You may have better success finding someone a little more respected by the millenialist community. Although he was an avid preacher, revivals and the sort, I reviewed my information on him and couldn't find anything about him actually preaching from house to house. That doesn't make my opinion definitive, there is probably more information on him than I posess.

  I reviewed the quotes you put up and didn't find any direct statement that one would preach the good news house to house. Yes, yes, I see the house to house quotes in the boxes. What is missing though is his understanding of what house to house actually meant. He says the following (the source of these 4 quotes see David2002's prior post):

  Then preach the gospel with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven, on the streets, and from house to house, like the apostles,

  In the Apostolic succession, we should preach from house to house, everywhere ministering to' the sick in the interest of the soul and body.

  preaching on the streets and from house to house through the week

  Preaching and teaching publicly and from house to house, "the whole counsel of God

  I'm not trying to say that the apostles and first century christians didn't discuss or edify each other or have something akin to bible studies with others in their private homes (whether that be the christian or the interested individual's home). In my opinion that probably went on. I am saying, however, that the apostles and first century christians didn't cold call on door after door to see if someone at home may be interested hearing the good news.In fact I believe that is what this quote is saying (from David2002's previous post):

  The book Word Pictures in the New Testament, by A.T. Robertson, agrees that the apostle Paul preached house to house "By (according to) houses. ; It is worth noting that this greatest of all preachers preached from house to house and did not make mere social calls." (Vol. III, pages 349-350

  The apostle Paul preached to individuals in different homes. Makes sense to me. Mere social calls? Of course not. He was talking to those who had already shown interest or were already christians.

  Matthew 10:5-14 - "When you enter any town or village, find out who is worthy, and stay there until you leave." You said "The finding out of who is worthy obviously required visiting different peoples homes to find them.&nbsp." What you didn't say, and neither does the text, is that they preached at multiple homes and when someone was receptive they lodged there. That requires a leap of logic that isn't in the text. It seems that rather than knocking on every Jewish door (the lost sheep of Israel right?) in a city, that they could go to the synagogue and simply ask around about who was worthy. Since they were to say there this text is logically talking about lodging. As far as a house that they thought was worthy but wasn't (whether for lodging or listening to the good news) Jesus says shake the dust from your feet and move on.

  I just don't see the injunction for these ministers to knock on each Jewish door in town and discuss Jesus with them. That is why synagogues were around, to congregate the people and discuss spiritual matters.

  As far as Acts 5:42 and the translation "house to house" I have no problem with that rendering. However, I do have a problem with the assumption that house to house meant going from one door to the next in consecutive order. In fact the WT itself said (highlights mine):

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  w91 1/15 p. 11 Teach Publicly and From House to House ***

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  At Acts 5:42 the words "from house to house" are translated from kat’ oi´kon. Here ka·ta´ is used in a "distributive" sense. Hence, the preaching of the disciples was distributed from one house to another

  Notice it is distributive not consecutive. Yes, they went to different houses.

  Read each and every example in the New Testament of someone who was preached to. There isn't even one example of someone being first contacted at their home whether interested in the good news or not.

  Again, in my opinion, the fist century christians, including the apostles and Jesus preached to individuals. This sometimes occurred in people's homes. Preaching to individuals in their homes, however, does not indicate that they preached consecutively from one door to another.

  Like I said I'm not a trained debater nor have I really done much of it. If I wasn't completely clear with my arguments or didn't cover all of your points in enough (or any) detail I apoligize.
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  About the Letter?!

  by Mastodon in

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  ok, from what i gather, a letter is supposedly being read to all congregations this week (i think?).

  can anybody give me a few details about it?

  i think there was a topic about it a while back, can somebody post the link?

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  I haven't heard anything yet that there is a letter being read other than the 1/3/06 dated letter from the WTS.

  The 1/3/06 letter doesn't discuss the HLC needing to see your medical records (U.S.) and it doesn't specifically state that there will be new cards issued this year.

  However, last years instruction specifically stated that the new DPA/AMD cards were valid indefinitely and gave specific instruction as to when a publisher would need to fill out a new one.

  The KM article discussing the blood video (same night as letter will be read) doesn't discuss handing out new cards either.
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  Weekly Bible Reading for week of January 9 - 15, 2006

  by TheListener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2 chronicles 33 - 36.

  36: 17 so he brought up against them the king of the chalde ans, who proceeded to kill their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, neither did he feel compassion for young man or virgin, old or decrepit.

  everything he gave into his hand.

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  2 Chronicles 33 - 36

  36: 17 So he brought up against them the king of the Chal·de´ans, who proceeded to kill their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, neither did he feel compassion for young man or virgin, old or decrepit. Everything He gave into his hand. 18 And all the utensils, great and small, of the house of the [true] God and the treasures of the house of Jehovah and the treasures of the king and of his princes, everything he brought to Babylon. 19 And he proceeded to burn the house of the [true] God and pull down the wall of Jerusalem; and all its dwelling towers they burned with fire and also all its desirable articles, so as to cause ruin. 20 Furthermore, he carried off those remaining from the sword captive to Babylon, and they came to be servants to him and his sons until the royalty of Persia began to reign; 21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.

  22 And in the first year of Cyrus the king of Persia, that Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, Jehovah roused the spirit of Cyrus the king of Persia, so that he caused a cry to pass through all his kingdom, and also in writing, saying: 23 “This is what Cyrus the king of Persia has said, ‘All the kingdoms of the earth Jehovah the God of the heavens has given me, and he himself has commissioned me to build him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever there is among YOU of all his people, Jehovah his God be with him. So let him go up.’”
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  Any Active JW's here!

  by isaias4u2nv in

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  just very simply any active jw's in here!!

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  TheListener

  I'm a dub

  Fading

  Served while I didn't believe
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  Did you drink to get over being a Witness?

  by free2beme in

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  2. friends

  when i first left the witnesses, i had some times of being really pissed at all the wasted time and the way the people acted.

  i remember one time, my spouse and i decided to just get ripped.

  we did and as we did, we laughed and even cried at times over the issues.

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  I drink to get over my family being witnesses. (you know finding the right smiley face isn't as easy as you might think)
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  Now on www.reexamine.org - Counsel to Watch Tower Missionaries

  by reexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you can get this on the main downloads page, or directly here: http://www.reexamine.org/images/counseltowatchtowermissionaries.pdf.

  contract) between missionaries and the watch tower.

  someone would recieve this after completing the giliad training school.. also, we now have the pay attention book, and the od book in polish, as well as german and english.. reexaminer.

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  I just read through that missionary manual. It's not about sex at all.

  Instead it's about everything else that could be regulated by the WTS for their missionaries. If you haven't read it, do so. The WTS' ability to properly govern their flock never ceases to amaze me.

  I was surprised I didn't read this: "the missionary was entrusted with a special privilege of service by Jehovah, therefore you will move your bowels twice daily whether you feel it is necessary or not."
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  What if you SAID you recorded the JC? Leverage?

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it was dawning on me last night how much i wish i'd gone to one of my judicial committees so i could have surreptitiously recorded it.

  as i rolled that thought around in my head, i thought, "what would they do if you did it, then threatened to make it public?

  " before a jc, they always tell you that recording devices are not allowed and ask you if you have one.

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  The best part of the plan is leaving the device in the room with them after you leave. Waiting a few minutes and going back to get it.

  hehehehe.

  I should plant a bug in the kh just to hear the elders meetings. I won't, of course, 'cause that would be wrong.
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  Quotes mirror

  by Shazard in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi.

  i managed to get qutoes mirror on a bit more stable server --- http://www.baznica.lv/ro/mulders/wachtowerquotes/ --- you are welcome

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  Quotes is more powerful in death than it ever was in life.

  I guess that's why Fox's book of martyrs is so important.

  Perhaps there should be a JW book of martyrs.
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  Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation

  by DannyHaszard in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovah's loses comp case

  church may be forced to pay millions

  by jess wisloski.

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  TheListener

  AS,

  you asked how to deepend the schizm between the upper bethelites and the lower bethelites.

  Here are some things that separate them:

  -rooming arrangement.

  -job assignments.

  -work hours. - similar to job assignments; but you would rarely see a brother with seniority working some night shift.

  -the illusion that the senior brothers aren't watched over as closely. their housekeepers would think twice before turning in a 40 or 50 or 60 year service bethelite for a messy room. of course, that is just the young'uns viewpoint, in actuality the 40, 50 and 60 year service bethelite probably doesn't leave a messy room.

  -the power to make the younger bethelites nervous in their everyday life. radio too loud? room not clean enough? late for breakfast? spend too long in the locker room changing before work? vacationing too much? too many girls calling, writing or visiting? missing the monday night study? not doing well at entrants school (for new boys only); too enthusiastic about sports - competitive?

  -i don't know how much of a problem this is now but what about parking spaces.