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For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

by TheListener in

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i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

this is especially for the new poster darcy.

i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

TheListener

Perhaps MidwichCuckoo (that's hard to type by the way) but as long as Darcy is responsive and polite I am enjoying the interchange. I found her response to sound genuine to me.

Darcy,

I hear what you're saying and totally agree. It's not for us to judge others, and for what it's worth we're not too good at judging ourselves either. I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who's still a MS in the congregation and we were talking about what was necessary for salvation. He was of the opinion that you needed to follow the rules and regulations set by God in the Bible and be a part of the one true religion. He is very sincere and respectful of my new found explorations into my beliefs.

The question in my first post sounded better in my head than it did once I typed it. What I meant was (I'll try again), Based on scriptural backup what do you feel is necessary to please Jehovah and thus gain everlasting life. Not necessarily for others but for yourself. Is faith in Jesus sacrifice enough in itself or do we have to show our faith and do we have to belong to a specific religion - long but there it is.

I'm not looking for you to defend the Witness doctrine, I know that all too well. I'm really just looking to see what your personal viewpoint is on the matter.

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Revelation It's Grand Climax at Hand! - bookstudy

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i was reading e-watchman today and someone there is saying that after studying the what does the bible really teach book at bookstudies the next book will be the revelation book!!!.

there isn't any real proof, but the poster claimed a letter from bethel stated this.

perhaps some here can dig around and confirm or deny this new rumor.. we've studied it 3 times in the past and it's been awhile.

TheListener

Maybe the stickers can glow in the dark.

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For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

by TheListener in

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friends

i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

this is especially for the new poster darcy.

i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

TheListener

I know it was a rather long and drawn out title but I couldnt' think of another way to word it. :(

Anyway,

This is especially for the new poster Darcy. I was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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Laughing laughing laughing

by darcy in

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wow.. so, you know i'm an active witness, very active.

hah.

and i'm not laughing at y'all, but wow, i can't believe how extensive this is.

TheListener

Under bible research and study topics.

I had trouble posting my text so the first few posts are me messing up. But, I think it gets good after that. There is some interesting discussion about Nimrod and what he did or didn't do. Not everyone agrees but it's fun talking about it.

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Laughing laughing laughing

by darcy in

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wow.. so, you know i'm an active witness, very active.

hah.

and i'm not laughing at y'all, but wow, i can't believe how extensive this is.

TheListener

Darcy, what did you think of my Nimrod thread? Personally, I'm proud of it. It's some of my best work :)

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Laughing laughing laughing

by darcy in

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wow.. so, you know i'm an active witness, very active.

hah.

and i'm not laughing at y'all, but wow, i can't believe how extensive this is.

TheListener

Frankly, I'm not sure why Matthew 24 has to have a greater fulfillment. It's obvious in the text Jesus is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE. Why must we expand it and try to apply it to today. And, since the 1914 date is illogical and against the scriptures we don't have a real basis for saying that Matthew 24 (if giving it future application) has even begun yet.

Remember, the world is bad, but it can get much much worse. Try studying the middle ages for starters.

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Nimrod; Tower of Babel

by TheListener in

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did nimrod build the

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TheListener

I'd say the Bible tells us that men wanted to build a tower into the heavens to make a name for themselves and for fear that they would be scattered. God saw it and realized that nothing was out of man's reach unless he confused the languages. No mention of Nimrod by the way.

Was building the tower so evil? Was not wanting to be scattered so bad?

How fair is it to be in a universar court case where the judge stacked the deck against you? If you all speak the same language perhaps you could rule yourselves peacefully. So, I will confuse your languages and thus prove Satan a liar!

That's the main reason why the universal sovereignty angle doesn't work for me. To make it a real court case we would need to be given every possible opportunity to succeed yet still fail. God took our opportunity to succeed away when he confused our languages. Therefore we aren't living in the midst of a universal court case.

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Joined? Stayed? Left?

by Mysterious in

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how old were you when you became a jw, how long were you a member, and how long has it been since you left?

i'm sure there have been posts on here before but with all the new people showing up day by day i thought it might be help them to see that even the most hardcore jw can recover and be happy.. i was born into the religion, unbaptized publisher at 11, never baptized, left at 18, been out for 2 years and 5 months.

TheListener

Raised as a witness. Publisher at 7. Ministry School at 7. Baptized as a teen. Bethelite as a teen. Appointed as a teen.

Faded away over the course of the last 4 years. Wow, has it really been that long. 4 years and I'm still not inactive! I've got problems committing to this fading thing! Oh yes, how could I forget it's not my lack of committment to the fade that's the problem; instead it's a little something called marriage. Fade too fast and it's called divorce.

Nice thread.

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Nimrod; Tower of Babel

by TheListener in

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did nimrod build the

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TheListener

Greendawn, your post makes the point exactly. Legend. The Bible itself doesn't show Nimrod to be an evil individual or show him to have any part of the tower of babel. Legends do. 2,000 year old oral legends that were written down 2,000 years ago.

OK maybe Nimrod was a bad guy and maybe not. Let's at least be honest and say that the Bible doesn't lean one way or the other. I have no problem with individuals hating Nimrod and attributing bad things to him. As long as they don't ascribe that the Bible supports those claims.

I mostly ticked off with the NWT's rendering of Genesis 10:8,9. It seems completely dishonest and a gratuitious use of translators license.

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Laughing laughing laughing

by darcy in

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wow.. so, you know i'm an active witness, very active.

hah.

and i'm not laughing at y'all, but wow, i can't believe how extensive this is.

TheListener

Welcome Darcy.

Please don't dismiss AuldSoul's post out of hand. He has asked some valid questions. I strongly feel that our faith should be based on accurate knowledge of the Bible. Any belief that we feel is Bible based should be easily supportable with scriptures.

I've enjoyed your posts so far.