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5000 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS OF JW PEDOPHILE CASES AVAILABLE! B ANDERSON BOOK

by Seeker4 in

barbara anderson has just released a new book on cd that contains some 5000 pages of public court records from the nine lawsuits involving 16 victims that the wts settled secretly in may of this year, plus documents from two other cases the society settled in 2000 and 2006.. .

its called secrets of pedophilia in an american religion: jehovahs witnesses in crisis.. .

the book, and more info from barbara about it, is available here:.

TheListener

Great job Barbara. I want to personally thank you and all who assisted in this magnificent project.

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Affidavit for a court custody battle with a JW mom/Non JW dad

by Billzfan23 in

jw
friends

what kind of things would you put in an affidavit to the court for a custody hearing - list them out in this thread for me so that i can disperse each point across multiple pages, making a strong case.

i will start:.

blood transfusions: - jw children are refused blood transfusions that could save their lives.. how about school sports, flag salute, military service, discouraging college education, keeping "seperate from the world", armageddon teachings, etc.. help we fill in a little wordy description and elaborate on each point in this post - it would be very much appreciated!.

TheListener

I am fairly certain that the jw spouse can bring the WTS into the battle regardless of what the non-jw does.

In fact, the WTS has a packet they will send out to a jw parent who is fighting a custody battle against a non-jw spouse.

I am pretty sure much of the WTS information is located on the web.

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Luke 16: 19-24

by vlad in

19but a certain man was rich, and he used to deck himself with purple and linen, enjoying himself from day to day with magnificence.20but a certain beggar named laz arus used to be put at his gate, full of ulcers21and desiring to be filled with the things dropping from the table of the rich man.

yes, too, the dogs would come and lick his ulcers.22now in course of time the beggar died and he was carried off by the angels to the bosom [position] of abraham.. also, the rich man died and was buried.23and in ha des he lifted up his eyes, he existing in torments, and he saw abraham afar off and laz arus in the bosom [position] with him.24so he called and said, father abraham, have mercy on me and send laz arus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because i am in anguish in this blazing fire.. my old account does not seem to be working, so i am not a new member but i did not post loads anyway.

i am an now an athiest myself but anytime i ask jws about a scripture they say its pointless discussing it with me becuase i am only doing it to tear them down.

TheListener

Mondo1,

You said

So is it teaching hell? No. It is a parable. Is it drawing from language that was used by those who believed in hell? Yes, but only because they knew the existing tradition and it fit the message that he was intending. Mondo

I'm no biblical scholar but it doesn't make sense to me that Jesus would use an example in his parable that was based on a teaching he didn't agree with. I'm sure he could have come up with a different parable to explain how important it is to feed the poor, physically or spiritually.

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Grace versus Ephesians 4th & 5th Chapters

by TheListener in

for those who are believers in god and the bible:.

if we have god's grace and have been purchased by jesus shed blood why do we have to be careful not to do the things mentioned in ephesians and elsewhere in order to not be excluded from god's kingdom?.

for example, ephesians tells us not to tell obscene jokes, or commit immorality, etc etc for if we do we will not inherit god's kingdom.

TheListener

BTT

It's been awhile since this I created this topic and a lot of new christian posters are around.

I would love to hear some thoughts on this topic.

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Here's at least one witness view of Sept KM

by TheListener in

jw
friends

i found this on beliefnet (public post that you don't have to be a member to view):.

i just read the article and unless we're reading two different articles, what i understood isn't exactly what you understood.

let me expand on that:.

TheListener

The WTS has always excelled at separating their followers from the world via frowning on birthdays, worldy family get-togethers, holidays, after school activities, etc etc.

Now they are reactivating the decades old campaign to separate witnesses from each other by frowning on the following items on congregation gatherings, large wedding receptions, youth parties and now re-emphasizing that study groups are frowned on as well.

It appears that the WTS has determined that the best way to maintain the membership numbers in their organization is to have each member live in a vacuum. As most know, vacuums do not sustain life.

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Lurking has its faults

by RisingEagle in

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friends

i've been researching prior postings gathering info but mostly reading because i've been 'out' for almost 14 years.

i still have numerous relatives that are still 'in' and when we get together those still in seem to get a sort of kick out of discussing super double secret goings on with 'new light' and changes in the cult.

it's been fun to be able to say, "oh you mean the change in length of the sunday talk?

TheListener

A hearty welcome to Mr and Mrs Eagle.

I really enjoyed your posts.

Love your idea of cleaning. hahahahaha. That was a good comeback to brother busybody.

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Here's at least one witness view of Sept KM

by TheListener in

jw
friends

i found this on beliefnet (public post that you don't have to be a member to view):.

i just read the article and unless we're reading two different articles, what i understood isn't exactly what you understood.

let me expand on that:.

TheListener

OK perhaps this link will work.

http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/boards_main.AllCategories.asp?Category=116

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Here's at least one witness view of Sept KM

by TheListener in

jw
friends

i found this on beliefnet (public post that you don't have to be a member to view):.

i just read the article and unless we're reading two different articles, what i understood isn't exactly what you understood.

let me expand on that:.

TheListener

Sorry no link but you guys gotta check out the thread on the sept. km at beliefnet. It's under Jehovah's Witness Discussions.

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Here's at least one witness view of Sept KM

by TheListener in

jw
friends

i found this on beliefnet (public post that you don't have to be a member to view):.

i just read the article and unless we're reading two different articles, what i understood isn't exactly what you understood.

let me expand on that:.

TheListener

I found this on Beliefnet (public post that you don't have to be a member to view):

I just read the article and unless we're reading two different articles, what I understood isn't exactly what you understood. Let me expand on that:

The question is: "Does the "faithful and discreet slave" endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?"

What does the word "endorse" mean?

endorse
verb [trans.]
1 declare one's public approval or support of : the report was endorsed by the college. See note at APPROVE .
-recommend (a product) in an advertisement.

NOTE:
Endorse implies a more public and official expression of support and is used primarily in reference to things that require promotion or publicity (: endorse a political candidate), while commend is to make a formal and usually public statement of approval or congratulation ( | he was commended for his heroism).

This is important to point out because some may equate the research findings and publications that some may make as what Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole believe.

The article goes on to say that the organization has set up many means of providing spiritual food for Jehovah's people in the form of congregation meetings, conventions, assemblies, and its publications (although the article doesn't mention it, there are the various schools as well).

1 Cor. 1:10 is cited and I think this is a VERY important scripture. We as Jehovah's people need to be in the same mind and line of thinking. To achieve that, Jehovah works through his organization on earth, just as he has always done. In this case, it is the faithful slave who has been entrusted with Christ's domestics on earth.

They go on to repeat that they do not endorse any websites, literature, or meetings that are not under its oversight.

Does this mean that it is forbidden to do extra study? No, they go on to say that it is commendable to use our thinking abilities in support of the good news. They also counsel us that any personal pursuits should not detract from what the congregation is accomplishing today.

They go on to cite the Apostle Paul's warning:

3 Just as I encouraged you to stay in Ephesus when I was about to go my way into Macedonia, so I do now, that you might command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, 4 nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies, which end up in nothing, but which furnish questions for research rather than a dispensing of anything by God in connection with faith. 5 Really the objective of this mandate is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. 6 By deviating from these things certain ones have been turned aside into idle talk, 7 wanting to be teachers of law, but not perceiving either the things they are saying or the things about which they are making strong assertions.

This is good counsel. And this isn't the first time I've read it. I studied it in the book called "Worship the Only True God."

I always try to apply this scripture. I don't like getting into debates with people. It never achieves anything. At the end, it's a just a bunch of words and idle talk.

And of course they recommend our own Encyclopedia and Summary of the Bible because they put a lot of work into them and we can be sure that we're getting accurate knowledge.

That's my take on this. Nothing really new.

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Die hard jw's see any problem with Sept km?

by carla in

will die hard jw's see any control issues with the sept km?

i once brought up the fact to my jw that jw's were not allowed to get together informally to do any kind of 'bible' studies without the approval of the elders, gb, etc.. he said that was totally ridiculous and false, more apostate lies.

this was long ago now and i'm not sure he even remembers saying it.

TheListener

Gary,

In the past I would have disagreed with your analysis. But, now, I am not sure you're far off the mark. The WTS seems to be do their own form of separating work. The question seems to be: how will those in the congregations react to this new situation?