that is my dilema.
my child is wonderful, funny, smart, talented, cute, kind, and a social butterfly.
i want to see her happy.
Great thread.
What about families where the kids are young and don't believe, but, the wife is a true believer. Deciding on when and how to put the final nail in the WTS cofifn with the kids while not completely screwing up the marriage is no easy balancing act.
I am glad all my kids are 99% WTS free but if they experience trouble later in life I don't want them to turn to the WTS.
so my wife is aware that i am totally disillusioned and i am having problems with lots of things.
one day she can see the crap(such as this past watchtower question from readers about ivf... what a pile of insanity.
if someone carries me and my wifes baby i have committed porneia rofl!!!
Great conversation sosoconfused! You've given me a bit of hope that my wife may ask something similar - one day.
i've just been watching a youtube video that reveals the new assembly hall in orangeburg, sc.. two things struck me when watching it.... firstly, everything is attributed to jehovah, right down to deciding the location where the hall is to be built.
"we examined over 300 properties," said one interviewee, "we were reminded that jehovah knew where the site was, we just had to keep looking and show him that we were persistent.
" other workers interviewed throughout the video attribute everything to god, as though it is impossible to build anything without divine direction.. here is the video.... .
I am still of the opinion that the GB and majority of Bethel muckety mucks totally believe their own BS.
They build to accomodate their current needs and probably for future District Conventions.
I really believe the building style and shape is about doing things as cheaply as possible while still having a nice presentable facility.
The WTS has known for a long long time that their construction projects are a key way that witnesses build strong relationships with each other. Working long hours, stressed and trying to make the deadline for their crew, eating communal meals and quite a few suffer money issues at home in order to participate. Since the United States and other countries haven't persecuted Witnesses for decades the community feeling they get as they work together and consider themselves martyrs at the same time can forge a strong lasting bond. The friendships from these construction projects are much stronger and wider than those from doing d2d work and fill the need for social gatherings as well since those dont' occur nearly as often as they used to.
imho
i have been reading steven hassan's books as well studying like never before.
my wife has seen the amount studying i am doing, just hasnt known what all subjects instudy.
over the last few weeks i've slowly shared certain things.
Congratulations Comatose! You are really lucky. Some of us never truly gain acceptance in our spouses eyes.
so as some of you already may know, i have stopped going to meetings for good and have nothing to do with wbts anymore...did not write a letter of disassociation because i dont believe an organization should spiritually execute me for rejecting men's tradition and false doctrine...some of you may recall i spoke to my wife and are in good terms, even though she's still an active jw.
my parents are both active jw's...when i visited them yesterday, they clearly did not expect me to tell them i had left the "org"...to my huge surprise, after i explained to them i had found ttatt (truth about the truth) and gave compelling evidence of my reasoning, and using the scriptures, they totally sided with me...i was dumbfounded...one of my parents even brought up ray franz and his book coc....i was like wtf??.
they told me all of these years they never had the guts to say anything about the hypocrisy in this org and they were glad that i as their son was able to step up and believe what is right and what is on the bible...they re-assured their love to me and they were happy i had found happiness in jesus christ and the need to have a personal relationship with him and not through a man made organization.... i totally did not expect this response from my parents...but it just leaves me to think that there are thousands of active jw's out there feeling the same way and don't have the courage to step up to the org...still don't know what they are going to do, but i got the feeling they will do the same eventually and move on from the wbts.... have a great week everyone.
Congratulations Nolongerconfused. Truly a happyifying outcome!
hello to everyone :) i wanted to introduce myself as a newbie.
i was raised in and i am currently on active status due to most of my family being very much in, but i am so ready to be done and have felt that way for quite some time.
internally i know this is not the right religion without a doubt.
Welcome to the board!
I agree, the kingdom hall and what small get togethers still happen are not that warm and loving. Not like back in the old days when the witnesses felt really persecuted and hanging together as a small group made you feel special. It was great back then to have a small gathering and take care of one another. All the feeling of specialness and closeness has pretty much vanished from the witnesses. It is all very generic and routine these days. Just my opinion.
at 9 pm on abc.
previews in last two videos on this link:.
http://www.wetpaint.com/greys-anatomy/articles/greys-anatomy-season-9-episode-13-spoilers-7-things-we-learned-from-the-sneak-peeks-video.
the girl next door - welcome! I do not think your efforts were in vain. You saved lives, there is nothing about saving a life that isn't important. There are human beings who were given a chance at life because of your efforts.
Although the blood rules are a bit different now there are still a lot of witnesses, I would even say a majority, that view accepting fractions and pieces and parts as bad as a whole blood transfusion and simply will not do it. I know, I'm married to one.
Imagine if the arguments and discussions you had with those parents were actually with your spouse about your own children. It's not easy but it is worth it.
can anyone tell the story of john o groh?
ray and the wts mention him as a society director and member of the early 1970s governing body..
Oh ok. I will look it up.
in his books ray franz mentions the name of the man who was the governing body secretary.
i believe this person also left the witnesses during the 1980s purge.
what became of this person?
Oh I didn't know. Thanks Blondie. Maybe one day his family or a friend will find some personal notes that he didn't want released until he passed away.
can anyone tell the story of john o groh?
ray and the wts mention him as a society director and member of the early 1970s governing body..
He is one of a couple early GB members that no one really talked about much or mentions today. He was sort of a filler GB member. Perhaps if he had lived into the 1980s he would have been more of a topic of discussion.
