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  January 2016 CLAM Videos

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  january 2016 sample 1. january 2016 sample 2. january 2016 good news.

  january 2016 skills.

  annual meeting 2015 overview.

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  Those videos seem very childish. I guess they need to be very clear with their words and phrasing but it didn't sound natural or comfortable at all.

  What a much weirder organization they've become.
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  Are JW's allowed to have close non JW friends?

  by 007DB1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a non-participating christian who is fully respectful of but never had anything to do with jw.. i have a jw friend who seems to closely follow his jw belief's.

  i have met most of his family and friends who all are also jw's.

  he says i am his only non-jw good friend.. he is getting married this year to his long time gf and with our recent growing more guarded and distant friendship, i am wondering what is going on?.

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  Your friend won't be able to get married in the kingdom hall if he has any "worldly" people in the wedding, in fact a lot of elders (priests) won't perform the ceremony if a "worldly" person is in the wedding party. Maybe he's distancing himself to keep from hurting you about your lack of involvement in the wedding.

  Maybe his fiance is also encouraging him to get stronger "in the truth" so he can be a ministerial servant (priest assistant). Having "worldly" friend or friends would make being a ministerial servant less likely.

  It's not unheard of for a witness to have a "worldly" friend. It's just not encouraged. If you don't present a spiritual problem (i.e. lack of what Witnesses consider morality) then they won't have a big problem with you. But, as he progresses spiritually, or if you say anything even remotely anti-JW your friendship will begin to wither away.
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  If YOU had to make the decision, would you respect a JW relatives wish to refuse a blood transfusion?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a few years after i quit the meetings my mum needed her medical directive signed and witnessed and she asked if i'd do it.

  i was surprised to say the least!.

  i think she was just angling to include me and maybe find some lever to get me involved again.

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  For an adult - I would let them know beforehand that if the decision is mine I will allow a blood transfusion. If the decision was out of my hands I probably wouldn't campaign and fight for them to get a transfusion.

  Child - I explained to my wife when I faded that our kids would have whatever medical treatment they needed. Regardless of her wishes. I told her, if the transfusion or medical procedure was successful, that she could curse me silently every time she hugged our living children.
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  Slightly different approach - JW my tradition

  by closed in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello everybody :) i have been visiting this forum for some time.

  i noticed that many can't really free from the past in the org despite many years outside of jw.

  i was awaken with a bang.

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  Welcome Closed. I'm glad you posted. I agree that wasting time on harboring bad feelings is a waste. Although, there are times when I just can't help it.

  Quick question, what is the meaning behind your username?
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  My Bethel Experience Part 9

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the worst thing, someone could call you at bethel, was a "jack.

  " as in "that guy is a real jack, he doesn't work at all".

  the other term not used very much anymore, was "pot licker" used basically the same way.

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  PotLicker - ahhh the memories
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  Hello, this is my first post

  by noralee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, this is my first post, i would like to introduce myself and say thank you to every one on this forum, you have been a lifeline to me these last few years.. i had been a jw for 30 years when i walked away a few years ago disgusted by the treatment victims of child abuse, domestic abuse and rape receive from the wtbts.. at first i thought it was a local problem, elders personal opinions, the way they handled the situations, imperfect men etc., until i checked out jehovahs witnesses and child abuse/domestic abuse online.

  that's when i realized they had the same modus operandi worldwide.

  that led me here, tbuo this forum, and then to crisis of conscience, jw facts, watchtower documents, jw survey, old watchtower literature and cd s, reading a couple of steve hassans books, and more recently exiting the jw cult.. the feelings of shock, betrayal, anger at the wtbts, angry with myself for being so gullible, depression, reflection, loneliness, have taken their toll.

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  Welcome Noralee. Glad you found the site and posted. Also really glad your family is out too. Forgive yourself and move forward. Life is too short to waste with regrets.
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  If JWs were to change their name what would they change it to?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was it 1931 when they adopted jehovah's witnesses?

  (at the time with lower case w) isn't it about time now they changed name again?

  i mean everything else is changing why not the name!

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  Jehovah's Christian Witnesses
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  Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  recent developments make me think they might be.

  the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

  one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

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  What a great thread. I started a thread a couple weeks ago where I asked the question whether the time may be right for a charismatic leader to take control of the organization. Whether that new leader is a GB helper, GB member or someone unknown.

  
  dubs-ripe-charismatic-leader-cause-division

  (the thread wasn't too popular and I hesitate to resurrect it)

  I can only state what I know from my wife, a few associates I maintain from my bethel days and extended family:

  -they don't contribute for literature anymore because it's mostly electronic

  -they used to donate for literature and local KH expenses. Now it's local KH expenses that they donate to. They seem to equate worldwide work donations with literature donations. Maybe that's why donations are drying up.

  -the technology is a two edged sword. They are proud to use it and feel advanced, but the older ones and those not tech savvy are constantly having issues. they are always looking for a better app to use for studying and synching multiple devices. they also get frustrated about running out of memory for the material they've studied on their device.

  -When more than a couple dubs are together in a group it's all positive. Positive they are right, positive the end is coming immediately. The various changes in the teachings and the world news all prove to them that the end is nigh.

  -When I'm alone with one of them, only the ones I know pretty well, they will admit to feeling tired, stressed and hopeful (not convinced) that the end is coming soon or that it must come soon because they can't hold on much longer and Jehovah wouldn't let that happen to his people.

  These are just regular average dubs from different economic backgrounds and areas of the the USA.

  The rank and file seem to confuse changes and revisions with a heightened expectation of the end. I don't know how it will affect the majority of witnesses when it doesn't come.
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  Umbertoecho here.

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hello people.. i'm tired and a bit sick at the moment but i can't let anyone think that this is going to go away.... i am able to tell you a few things in order to prevent any confusion in the minds of those who are thinking that nothing will come of this arc;that nothing will effect the wtbts in america and other places.. i have been there and given my testimony.

  helen milroy and her assistants were there along with another group of people who are there to lend assistance if you crack up at any time during or after the hearing.

  i did not crack up but can see how this happens.. security is tight and anonymity is sacred to them as they want to protect all who come forward.

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  Thank you umbertoecho. Your courage and strength are really amazing.
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  Are JWs a cult? The first CLAM lets us know.

  by ttdtt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so tonight is the first clam (so funny that its getting called that - dont they know?

  ) and in the digging for spiritual gems we find the answer to jws begin a cult.. 2nd question.

  what is the most practical step we can take to prepare for future difficulties?.

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  WAIT!! Are you saying that in they will be digging for gems in the CLAM tonight?

  Unbelievable! Just when I make my exit things finally get exciting.