Posts by TheListener

Hi SW. I am really glad you lurked and finally posted. I am really sorry about your situation. There has been so many good pieces of advice on this thread, please if you have time read it over several times. I completely understand how sick and stressed this is making you - it's probably all you think about almost every second of the day! Believe me, and the others here, it will get better! There will be a day when the dust has settled one way or another and you will be able to get on with your life (and your daughter's).

When I faded my wife did not rat me out or turn me in. She knew I was doubting and researching but she never told anyone anything. During my fade I had to meet with the elders once. I lied through my teeth telling them I believed everything but that I was really stressed and having a hard time raising my kids and caring for my family responsibilities. I was doing my best and would continue to do so. After that first meeting if they asked to meet with me again I just repeated how I was stressed and doing my best and that I would definitely let them know when if I needed to talk with them for encouragement.

Meanwhile I reduced my duties at the KH, stepped aside and showed up less and less over the period of a couple years. I took the word slow fade to an extreme but it worked and I maintained my marriage, no DF, and all my kids are free.

I guess I just wanted you to know that we are here and understand. While we can't help you deal with the day to day issues you face (minute to minute probably) we can be a place for you to vent and heal.

If you meet with them lie through your teeth and don't give them any idea that you are doubting/apostate. Just tell them how stressed you are and how difficult this system is. I was careful to never ever tell anyone what I thought about the organization and the beliefs, not even my kids, I helped them escape without revealing all my opinions.

I really do wish you the best of luck.

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my worst fears were realized

by magotan in

im on my phone, so im really limited.

i came out to my family about my doubts and my sexuality.

shit hit the fan.

TheListener

I'm so glad you're doing well Magotan! I am really sorry that your family are acting so unloving and cruel.

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My wife made a very wordly comment the other night

by Clambake in

my wife who is currently on maternity leave made a comment about luck she was to leave in canada because we get 52 weeks maternity at basically 40,000 per year.

she is not originally from canada coming from a country with basically no maternity leave.

i told her to make sure she doesn't say anything like that at kh.

TheListener

Clambake, right on. I will add though that I've found that commenting on my wife's double standards usually puts her in a dubenzy (dub frenzy) of spirituality but not saying anything keeps the cult personality away.

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Spokane 2016 Convention dates - "darkest weekend"

by OrphanCrow in

i came across an odd remark concerning the booking of a jw convention in an article from spokane.. visit spokane’s cheryl kilday: meeting expectations.

since cheryl kilday returned to the northwest 5 1/2 years ago, the spokane convention center has been expanded, a 750-room hotel has opened across from it, and a number of smaller investments have added dining and shopping options in the city’s core.

all of the changes have added options or improved the pitch for spokane for kilday, who as the president and ceo of visit spokane heads up the organization tasked with bringing more people and events to town.

TheListener

Least busy for conventions.

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Honeymoon over for the carts

by Deltawave in

speaking with inlaws i another congregation today who said exactly what is being said in our own hall.

the trolly work is long and boring and no one even notices they are there anymore but walk right on by.

jehovah really is speeding up the work lol.

TheListener

Thanks JTG. I wonder if the insurance angle will become an issue in other countries. I am not really up on the cart witnessing thing so I wonder if they need insurance in the UK or USA?

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Has anyone seen "The Prodigal Son Returns" on JW.TV? A Masterpiece of indoctrination

by truthseeker in

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i'm watching the jw movie the prodigal son returns.. it is a masterpiece of indoctination and what i would call a "cult" classic.. it's about two brothers who work for their father's construction firm.

the older one is the most spiritual and the younger one isn't.

he befriends al, a weak brother, who persuades him to take a job in the city and move there.. it shows the "world" in the worst possible light.

TheListener

Imagine raising kids when your wife watches and believes this stuff and you and the kids do not. When the kids do normal everyday things the wife is silently watching and judging and as soon as anything goes wrong, as it often does in life, the wife pounces.

I'm only speaking in general terms, my wife would never do this...

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$10 per pub. Money begging session last night

by StarTrekAngel in

last night, during our "christian life and ministry" meeting, we had a session on local needs.

elder opened the talk with a disclaimer saying that this was a reminder (cited psalms about how david loved jehovahs reminders).

he reminded us of how bless we are of having our own local assembly hall.

TheListener

I think in the short term donations will increase as each publisher feels it's their duty to support J's organization. But, in the long term donations will decrease simply due to the typical jw apathy and lack of money from a mostly uneducated group of followers.

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The wt has now changed Jesus definition of neighboor

by poopie in

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the man asked jesus who is my neighbor jesus stated the one who acts mercifully toward other humans.

not good enough for watchtower neighbor must fit in three catagories only according to yesterdays wt wow changed the words of the son of god.

TheListener

Oh I know, I know - worldly publishing companies have been saying for years that they wish their magazines were written as well and looked as good at the WT and AW. :)

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The wt has now changed Jesus definition of neighboor

by poopie in

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friends

the man asked jesus who is my neighbor jesus stated the one who acts mercifully toward other humans.

not good enough for watchtower neighbor must fit in three catagories only according to yesterdays wt wow changed the words of the son of god.

TheListener

Boy we're getting off topic now but in line with Sir82 and Konceptual I always wondered if the point of the ministry was really to preach the good news to everyone as good as could be done then why didn't all publishers get to attend the pioneer school and get the special pioneer school book?

Why only release new publications at conventions so that some territories have the newest and bestest information months and months before other territories? It always seemed to me that the new publications should be released as soon as they're available as fast as possible.

And one last thing, why don't the magazines look professional? They never looked really really great before but now they're really cheap and high school presentation-ish. It's like they use powerpoint instead of some super fancy publishing software.