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Not love, not lust, but something in-between

by logansrun in

on christmas eve i got the chance to get together with an old friend, also an ex-witness, who was visiting from new york.

his life has been something of a hedonic treadmill and only recently has gotten off of it to find, as i like to call him, the sensitive new age jesus.

well, anyway, we got on the subject of sex and relationships.

Unfettered

I agree with the thought that we have the capacity to love multiple people and things and also the fact that our love for each of those is different... as long as that love is one of giving rather than possessing. Possession or WANT FOR something for oneself is not love, it is desire. Love is when we feel a desire to give to, protect, help, shelter, make happy someone else without expecting anything in return. That being said, we can do that to many people men and women.

What complicates matters is that our sexuality is intimately woven with both our physical and emotion selfish DESIRE, as well as our expression of GIVING love. Many times it's difficult to distinguish between the two.

I think if both people are mature enough or of the same mind they could have a casual sexual encounter without adverse affect. However, this assumes both people are of the same mind and sense of responsibility.

Let's face it, what's wrong would not the sex itself. What would be wrong is to engage in an activity that would either emotionally or physically cause injury to yourself or the other person... and that means that EVERY situation is unique and not really to be judged by others. The only ones able to judge are the people involved and whatever God they believe in (that is their conscience).

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

Weird thing happened a couple of nights ago. A loud buzzing noise woke me around 2 in the morning. I actually thought someone was drilling a hole in the bedroom wall! I seemed to tilt forward rapidly, looked down and I was still in bed. I was scared and fell back to the bed. I then woke up properly.

The buzzing noise may be a clear indication of the out of body state. When you say your tilted forward to you mean you "floated" forward without moving the physical body? ... and did you tilt forward or upward? Did you look down and see your full physical body on the bed?

Any type of strong emotion will almost ALWAYS end an experience immediately and jerk you back to your body. It seems to be some sort of reflex.

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

Interesting... the Qi Gung I practice puts a strong emphasis on the joints of the body. While in standing position there are times when standing still is best, and other times when movement is used. In general, while standing still we avoid the bending of knees (though do not lock the knee joints)... perhaps this is what you mean by slightly bent... they are straight, but not locked. The idea is to learn to feel the channels of Qi (energy) as they run up and down through the body, the arms and the legs. The joints are the primary gateways through which these "currents" flow.

The process of linking has to do with learning how to "open" the joints and the channels of all parts of the body and mentall link them together so that a natural balance is restored and maintained while we draw energy into the Dan Tien for storage there (sort of like a battery). By maintaining the linking of all the parts of the channels Qi is able to flow from the Dan Tien and Heart to all parts of the body as needed. Being overly warm or cold are signs and symptoms of imbalance and blocked channels. Each of the chakras are stimulated and opened mentally as well. We focus a lot of attention on the vertabrae of the spine as well.

When performing your standing movements are you simply moving and breathing, or do you also focus attention on "mobilizing" and focussing your awareness??... is your MIND in it so to speak or do you just practice motion and breathing, and let your mind wander to whatever thoughts you want to think about?

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

I am accepting the FACT that somethings can never be known

That, in itself is a belief system, or a TRUTH that you seem to believe... and yet there is no concrete evidence either for or against the statement that "somethings can never be known". Also, it does not seem that your experience provides a basis for stating that somethings can never be known. How is it that you arrive at it being a FACT then? Rather, it seems to be more of a selectively held belief.

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

CityFan,

Welcome to the thread. I'm always happy to meet a fellow Qi Gung practitioner.

On a gross level in Qi Gung there are two major types of Qi Gong work, that which is practiced in movement, and that which is practiced during stillness either in a sitting or lying position. I practice both forms and have noticed that the lying still qi gung greatly enhances my moving qi gung practice if I do it for at least 20 minutes before doing my moving qi gung. Is this what you are talking about when you talk about "some microcosmic circulation exercises"? Are these exercises done while sitting or lying still?

chris

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

everything I know is my own minds invention so I am aware that my mind may be inventing everything I have experienced like a dream and none of it is 100% reliable, but we must all gamble with our best skills for each move we make and my best guess is that some of these things are actually true.

ah... but the question is which part of you has invented all you see, for your mind currently exists in a self-inflicted divided state.

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

Fleur,

I'm glad you listen to the opinions and thoughts of others, but as well have a firmly established sense of self and are doing what you need to do to focus on what you as a unique individual need. I hope to hear more of your comments and personal insights as you feel ready to share and participate.

warm hug.

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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friends

as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

after my 2nd apparently failed attempt at past life regression, I had a series of amazing dreams all within a weeks time, not like any prior lucid or normal dream, but like reliving events sort of thing....

I've also been to a past life regression class and was to my judgment fruitless. I attended with a friend. However, I am able to induce out of body experiences almost at will (circumstances and environment tend to influence these ease of such experiences) remaining fully conscious the whole time. Generally what happens is I get to a point of stillness with my mind... enter a deep blackness that has a 3 dimensional vastness quality and then I begin to feel strong vibrations (these vibrations decreased over time) a loud rushing and/or long ringing tone and then the vibrations and tone die down as I feel myself become light and begin to slip free of my physical body. On numerous occasions I have come half way out of my body and poked and proded my physical body (usually the legs) with my "astral" hands/finger and still "felt" the pokes although it felt more like pressure or warmth going into my legs. I've studied the second body state extensively and obviously have more to learn. Anyway, for a number of years even though I had been having controlled full blown out of body experiences I did not believe in "past lives" because I had never experienced one. I went to the regression thing and it didn't seem to work for me.

However... and it's a big however, after several years of dedicated Qi Gong, Tai Qi and deep level meditation I began to literally feel these.. what I would call knots of energy within. Every time I released one of these knots my level of awareness, perception, as well as control and higher level astral experiences (and dreams) were heightened another level. At a certain point I started to have what I can only classify as memories surface during deep meditations that would sometimes seem like normal recollections and other times would be full blown relived moments from lives in the past. That is when I began to be much less skeptical of past lives. Personal experience is really the only way to truly know something. Anyway, the experience you shared is very interesting.

instead getting up and walking into another level of reality, first meeting a group of children who told me how they had died.... then being curious about what was up and what was next....I asked if I knew this one gal and she said no and I looked around and found no one I knew at all.... then I saw someone a head taller than all others and accepted him as a leader of some sort... I asked him If I should wait for my group or what? he said, no, but that I should not interfer too much in the life of others but to work my own path.

This sounds very classic or inline with my own and many others experiences.

then I grew curious about the other realm [this one] and asked why I still remembered it, but when I was there [here], I had no recollection of this side....

Whenever I leave my body in my second body, or my consciousness phases into a higher level through another form of meditation (this does not require leaving the physical body in the second body) I have regularly noted that I immediately KNOW much more and REMEMBER much more in those states than I do when I'm in my physical body. It is an expanded state that provides expanded memories and experience we do not always have access to while in the physical body. Your experience seems to coincide with my own in that way. People have asked me to prove the out of body experience to them by leaving my body and going and looking at something then coming back and telling them. However, I generally am not able to do that. Although I did visit a new friends house once I'd never been to and told him what kind of house it was (3 story), what color it was (blue), and that it resided in a culdesack and what the curve of the street and the hill beside it looked like. We were having coffee one day when I told him. He just stared at me and didn't say anything. I assumed I must have gotten it wrong. A couple days later he sat down with me and looked pale and shaken. He then proceeded to say he had been shaken up when I had described his house because it was dead on. He then grilled me about whether I had found out his address and had gone and looked at it. I had not. For a long time he still had a hard time believing it. People need to experience things for themselves to really know. I convinced him to try the meditation technique I use for leaving my body. To date he's had 3 out of body experience each successively longer and more controlled. He's on his way to some fun experiences. Anyway, I digress. What I was getting at is that a lot of times I'm not able to just decide to go somewhere and then have an out of body experience and then go where I decided to go while I was in my body. The reason is that when I leave my body I suddenly have more memories and different desires and purposes based on that expanded memory.

It's kind of like a person who lives in a house and while they are in their house they only know about the things in the house. But when they leave the house they are aware of much more. Imagine this person living in the house decides he's hungry and wants to go get some pizza and beer. However, the moment he leaves his house he remembers he's a fireman and he needs to go help rescue people in a fire. So, he goes and rescues the people in the fire and comes home afterward. He walks in the door to his home and suddenly he can't remember he is a fireman anymore and he says, "man why didn't I go get the pizza and beer?? (scratches head)"... what I've noticed is somewhat like that except that each time I come back I can still remember some of what I was doing while out of body and each time I bring back a little more memory from my expanded state. I think that the human brain does store information, but generally only memories and information having to do with this physical world. However, it is possible to go out and get other memories and information from other levels of consciousness and bring those back or transfer them back down into the human brain so that we can remember them while we are focused in this human physical body. Does any of this make sense to you?

I said, "but this realm is a mental invention too, right?"" he walked up to this window overlooking a city and tapped on the frame and said, ïts as real as real gets"" to which I protested and said "but it is a mental invention?"" and then I noticed another guide.... he was standing behind me to the right and he looked at this object sitting infront of me to the left and it lept into the air.... showing me, yes this world was also mental not physical as it appeared....

I don't see any disagreement here between your experience and mine. The only possible disagreement would be the interpretation of the experience. This is the one thing that can really snag us. We are creatures who want everything to be concrete and rational so we are always trying to rationalize and figure things out. However, we can't really every get the full understanding of our experiences because how we interpret our experiences always depends upon the combined full experiences we have experienced up until that point. Basically, we have limited resources from which to interpret our experiences at any given moment. So we do the best with what we have and hopefully we remain open to the possibility of being wrong and find ourselves being corrected as we go. Yes, I agree that every world IS mental that is, it proceeds from a consciousness and/or group of consciousnesses. I believe your experience does illustrate this very well. My own experiences agree. However, be careful not to take that one experience farther than it really goes. There is a lot of additional information your experience does not cover. It sounds to me like you were being somewhat teased about the nature of reality... given a bite if you will and allowed to bring the memory of it back with you into your physical mind.

Another thing people tend to do is read into their experiences way more than is there. For example, a guy has an out of body heavenly experience in which he's sees what he thinks is Jesus... so then he decides this means his is a special messenger of god and goes and starts a religion and convinces people god has chosen him... when perhaps what really happened is that the guy did indeed have his own personal experience, the entity was not Jesus but the guys own belief system projected that image onto the entity (who might be a guide), the entity may have given the guy a PERSONAL message meant for him and his life circumstances alone. However, the guy gets an ego trip and decides god has chosen him to create a following and tell everyone his message. I think a lot of smurfy "new age" gurus are somewhat like this. That being said although I've had A LOT of experiences I have NEVER received any indication that I was supposed to start any religion, bring a message to the masses, or that I was a special representative of god. I admit that in the very beginning I was tempted to think that way a little. However, over time as my experiences have expanded and my previous egocentric beliefs and misconceptions slowly stripped away it's become quite clear that each and every one of us is a unique individual with a very unique path and a unique purpose in the scheme of things.

Ian, it's also interesting that my personal experiences have led me to realize the value of letting go of attachment in order to realize true compassion and love. This is one of the things that was very striking to me when I finally got around to reading about Buddhism more deeply recently. This Buddhist philosophy agrees deeply with my own experience. I noticed as my experiences became more and more profound that I started loosing any interest in needing or wanting to accumulate wealth or earthly possessions aside from using such funds and items for positive purposes. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy things as much as anyone, but I'm generally not unhappy without them, and I don't actively seek to fill my life with possessions and money beyond what I need to fulfill my purpose.

Additionally, when I was younger I always thought of love or felt love in a I WANT THIS kind of way. My experiences brought me to realize that true love is a real energy and it is not associated with possession of others but rather a willingness to give freely without expecting anything in return at all. In the past I had heard similar words before and of course read Jesus example in the Bible but honestly never understood them deeply until I began deep meditation and my subsequent experiences.

If there is any one message I would give to anyone or encouragement I would give to anyone it would be to meditate. Learn and practice many forms of meditation. Examine yourself, dive into your own inner world and know yourself more fully... and along with that learn to follow your own unique path and be content with it. Instead of trying to control everything around you, learn to be dynamic and change, go with the flow, as well as exherting your own will as you can along the way.

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

As I've mentioned before, we can both only talk from our own experience. I've read quite a bit, but I usually do not incorporate what I read into my perspective until or unless I have personal experience to validate it. However, even in personal experience we do not see the whole picture.

In my experiences I have also received information to the effect that this is all sort of like a large game as well. However, there are very definite purposes for each of us to play the game and lessons and experiences we are here for. At least every couple of weeks I find myself undergoing testing at higher levels where these guides/higher beings are specifically providing guidance, instruction, and testing of certain personality traits. This earth is only one dimension of experience though.

In terms of all this reality being only a mental construct I cannot answer with any real authority of experience because none of the guides/instructors seems to want to answer some of those questions whenever I ask. On no few occasions when I have been in their presence and begun to ask excitedly about the nature of reality etc I get soft mental shhhhhh's telling me those types of questions will be answered in time. However, I do have personal opinions. I do believe that our consciousness effects the material world we see around us... there is no small amount of current scientific evidence to support this. This implies that our thought does have a lot to do with what we see and experience. However, I have a feeling that it is not JUST the combined thought of all humans for example that really sustains this reality. I believe it is also the thought manifestation of a higher being. I do not call this being God or the Ultimate, because likely there is another higher being above that being.

In any event what I have been taught and shown is that how much we personally as an entity have the ability to change this reality with our thoughts depends greatly on our strength of mind and ability to focus. Think of it as mental weight lifting. This environment also acts as a sort of mental gym in which our minds are placed within an environment of perceived limitations that force our mind to grow stronger and more focussed in order to effect desired changes. In a purely mind or astral environment I could simply think of a ball and place it mentally in my hand and it happens wallah! very easily.

In the earth environment however, I must learn to walk, use motor functions, focus my mind on walking and bending over and picking up a ball... perhaps searching for one etc. This process strengthens the mind and makes it more focussed and powerful. Over time and many incarnations our mind becomes strong enough, aware enough, and focussed enough to break the cycle just as a baby at some point learns to climb out of a crib. What happens after this earth environment or what other types of environments we are placed in after this one to grow even stronger, wiser, more aware, and more focused I do not know and have not been told.

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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

by Dansk in

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friends

as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

that's a rather simplified version of events.

Unfettered

Zen Nudist,

That was an interesting analogy. In my personal experience there are some accuracies about what you describe, but perhaps it can also be expanded upon.

I think of it in a similar vein but more like this:

Every different environment necessitates different types of bodies. For example, if I want to go swimming underwater I cannot "exist" underwater for very well or very long unless I "change" my body to include a scuba tank, some fins, a weight belt, etc. Once I have sufficiently altered my body to include those things I can exist or experience the underwater environment for much longer. If I want to go into space I obviously need a space suit. Imagine reality as being a layered environment similar to air being layered over water and outer space being layered over the atmosphere. Our true self resides at some higher layer. It desires however to experience the environment of the physical earth. Thus, it sends a portion of itself into a vessel that is capable of sustaining it's consciousness within this earth environment and providing it with stimulous, energy, and experience which are transformed through the physical body and brain upward to the higher levels. Perhaps in a similar fashion as a probe might be sent down to deep sea level and we up at the top record the images that are transformed into electrical impulses and back to video on our monitor... however I do feel the experience is much more direct that just a probe. It depends on your perspective at that moment.

Consciousness is mobile. It can freely enter, leave, and create bodies it needs to exist in whatever environment it chooses to visit.

each of us participates in the whole and each of us has internal information not completely shared....

In my personal experience this statement is not completely accurate. I have literally had experiences in which I left my body and entered the body of another individual to experience things from their unique perspective. I believe we are all much more intimately tied together than we realize. However, in order to perceive this state of connectedness it is necessary to mobilize your consciousness away from your physical body by at least 2 or 3 gross "layers" and then merge your consciousness with another human's body. Additionally, I have in communications with what you might call ghosts and/or entites existing in higher layers experienced a type of communication that does not include language or even thought, but simply direct experience is communicated to me. When the entity wants me to understand something a sort of packet or segment of their direct experience is passed to me. This latter form of communication is very intimate and does not seem to hide ANYTHING about the particular experience. So, I believe that our uniqueness is really a uniqueness that only exists in certain layers. As we move upward through the layers our uniqueness dissappears and our individual uniqueness becomes simply another aspect of the whole.

This mobilizing and division of consciousness can be demonstrated in various ways even through science. However, of course science cannot go any further than physical expression and measurements.