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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

Morpheus - Thank you for taking the time to read it.

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

In All Seriousness, I must apologize, I am guilty of having an Incomplete and Inaccurate view point of what it means to be Atheist. However I still stand by view point, that it is Inappropriate for an Atheist to attempt to Destroy the Beliefs / Faith of another, if the Atheist is non committal.

A simple Example..

Three Men walk into a Bar..

Man #1 is Named Jackson.

Jackson, has been blind from Birth, however he has a Very vivid Imagination.. He draws great comfort, from his Imagination regarding the Appearance of the World.. Jackson, is very fond of the Sun.. Since he can feel the sun, and he has heard Incredible Explanations about the Brilliance of the sun, he gains Comfort from Imagining that Everything Looks Like the sun, just not as Bright. This World View gives him Personal Comfort, since he has convinced himself, that he is not Missing out on all that much.

Man #2 is Named Morris. - Morris has Excellent vision, and he truly cherishes all of the Colors, and Beauty of the World.

Man #3 is Geoff - Geoff is Color Blind.

When the Three Men Sit down to Order a Drink.. The Bartender slides Jackson his Drink.. Jackson hears it, but he feels around for a few Seconds, and Finds it.. He exclaims, "You know Guys, Being Blind isn't all that Bad.. My other senses are all Strengthened, and honestly I'm not missing out on too much, after all Sight is just the Ability to Distinguish the Brightness of an item.. Who needs that when you have Super Human Smell,Taste,Touch,and Hearing?"

Geoff taking a sip of His Beer, begins Laughing Uncontrollably.. Geoff says "You fool Jackson, the World is Not Bright! The World is is The Opposite of Bright.. It is so bland and Dark, and well quite Boring, however Sight is essential, you are an uneducated fool, to Believe that all is Bright."

Morris listens to both speak of their inaccurate, View Points of colors, and says.. "Well Guys, you are both right to some extent, however you should accept the fact that you do not have all of the Information." Morris says to Geoff "And Geoff, until you have all of the Information, perhaps you should not seek to Destroy the Faith of Jackson"

Both Geoff & Jackson Simultaneously say "Shut Up Morris, you don't know what you're talking about" - They both then say "Prove it Morris"

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

I haven't had the chance to keep up with the Forum, and this thread of late. All that I can say is WOW.. Some great points on both sides, and thank you, everyone that took time to respond.

What is Truth?

It's not about what you Know, It's about what you Do.

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Royal comission Gods instrument to expose

by poopie in

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oh yeh

LAWHFol

I second that. Oh Yeh

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2 Scriptures to De-Rail the Organization's Claim that their Child Abuse Claims are based on Scripture

by LAWHFol in

mr.jackson was quite adamant, to his claim that the witness's policies are based on the scriptures.

if these scriptures have already been brought up, i apologize, but if not i feel that they are valuable.. 1. regarding the 2 witness rule :.

the witnesses use scriptures like deuteronomy 19:15 to support their adherence to the 2 witness rule this scripture clearly emphasizes the necessity of 2 or 3 witnesses, however there are reasonable exceptions.. one example is in deuteronomy 22:23 & 22:25. verse 23 says "if there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her,".

LAWHFol

Mr.Jackson was quite adamant, to his claim that the Witness's policies are based on the Scriptures. If these Scriptures have already been brought up, I apologize, but If not I feel that they are Valuable.

1. Regarding the 2 Witness Rule :

The Witnesses use Scriptures like Deuteronomy 19:15 to support their Adherence to the 2 Witness Rule This scripture clearly emphasizes the necessity of 2 or 3 witnesses, however there are reasonable exceptions.

One Example is in Deuteronomy 22:23 & 22:25

Verse 23 Says "If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her,"

Verse 25 Says "But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die."

"In the city" from v.23 is Contrasted with "in the open country" from v.25. If the offense takes place in the City, the Victim is to Scream, and alert near by Individuals. However if the Offense takes place in the open country, there is no one around to witness the offense, or come for help. Since verse 25 still calls for the Death of the Rapist, this proves that 2 Witnesses are not required in the case of a Rape (Or other sexual offenses). This Negates the necessity of 2 Witnesses, and the Scriptural Backing of the 2 Witness Rule Doctrine.

2. Regarding Women not being allowed to Judge within the Congregation. This one is Simple. Judges 4:4 "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time." (ESV) A woman was appointed by God to Judge the Israelites / Congregation.

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In light of Types and Anti types, Russell’s Prophecy nearly right.

by fadinfast in

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perhaps the closest he came to prophesying anything right, is his baby [the watchtower] grown up..

the term "babylonish.

the word babylonish, as we have frequently pointed out, signifies confusion.

LAWHFol

The Closest Russell came to predicting something accurately was when he predicted that the Jews would rein-habit Palestine and reclaim it as Israel.

he predicted this in the late 1800's through the early 1900's

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

Personal Beliefs are one thing.. However an Atheist cannot have his cake and eat it too.

Once an Atheist verbalizes his Belief to a Theist, the Atheist gets off of the figurative fence, and firmly plants himself on the Side of "God Does not Exist"

It is hypocritical to try and destroy the beliefs of another, if you your self do not take a firm stand, in your beliefs

(of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess:)

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

Rebel8 - I respect your statement, and what you have mentioned comes down to semantics. This post is intended for those that Firmly reject the existence of God.

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

I have not meet all Atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all Atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

I am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of Atheists. "Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities" (From Wikepedia "Atheism")

This is in no way related to "Agnosticism". I respect and envy anyone that can genuinely confess "I am not certain".

Most Christians default to either "Faith" or "The Bible", as Supporting Proofs of their argument.. Similarly, Atheists default to "Science" or "Logic & Reason".

When I have asked Atheist's, a question like "What science do you feel Supports the non existence of God" Predictably The Atheist has responded with "There is no Evidence or Proof of God & Science requires empirical Evidence." often the Atheist will then Move on one of two Supporting Arguments 1. "Evil exists, therefore God Does not Exist" or 2. "The Bible is Flawed, therefore God Does not exist".

With Deductive Reasoning, I will demonstrate how the Claim of Atheism is Un-Scientific.

The etymological meaning of "Science" is "To Know"
A Scientific Law can be classified as something that is Known.
Scientists generally use "The Scientist Method" to establish Scientific Laws.
The Scientific Law requires that an observation is first classified as a Hypothesis & then a Theory and finally a Law.
In order for a proposed explanation to become a Scientific Hypothesis, the Scientific Method requires that the explanation can be tested.
The Assertion that God Exists cannot be accurately tested, and for this reason it cannot be classified as a Hypothesis. (Within certain branches of Science)

Physics is a Branch of Science.
Quantum Mechanics is a Branch of Physics.
If the Universe was created, the Creator used Quantum Mechanics extensively to create the universe.
The Nature and behavior of Certain aspects of Quantum Mechanics are beyond our Capacities to Measure or Understand, at this time.
To try and understand Quantum Mechanics better physicists utilize the perturbation theory.
It would not be Scientifically Inappropriate to use the perturbation theory, to Understand the potential Of intelligent design in Quantum Mechanics, and the universe.

If the above 12 premises, are not False the following is an appropriate Scientific Hypothesis :

The perturbation theory allows the Physicist to describe a complicated quantum system in terms of a simpler system.
The Simple System = An Unnatural object has never been formed or brought into existence without the actions or force of an Intelligent Being.
Complicated quantum system = Like Unnatural objects All Natural objects must be formed and brought into existence by an Intelligent being.

Until this Hypothesis is Disproven, classifying yourself as an "Atheist" is Un-Scientific.

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For the First time.. I have found actual Proof of Jehovah's Witnesses in the Bible!

by LAWHFol in

the scripture is matthew 6:2 "so when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others.".

the similarities are shocking!

here is a list of bullet points, highlighting the ways that the jw's match today.. as a jw your gifts to the needy (in the form of "a life saving work" of 70 hours) are announced from the stage with a microphone, and you are then honored by others, in the form of them applauding in the kingdom hall.. duplicates?.

LAWHFol

The scripture is Matthew 6:2 "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others."

The Similarities are Shocking! Here is a list of Bullet Points, highlighting the ways that the JW's Match Today.

As a JW your gifts to the needy (In The form of "A Life Saving Work" of 70 Hours) are announced from the Stage with a Microphone, and you are then honored by others, in the form of them Applauding in the Kingdom Hall.

Duplicates?

"give to the needy" = "Regular Pioneer"
"announce it with trumpets" = "announce it with a Microphone"
"hypocrites" = "Jehovah's Witnesses"
"synagogues" = "Kingdom Halls"
"others" = "other Jehovah's Witnesses"

SO now I know that Time Keeping. Is Found in the Scriptures.