Posts by dilaceratus

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Special Campaign announced for September: Creation vs. Evolution

by sir82 in

jw
friends

we had a boe letter read recently.

the september 2006 awake will be 100% dedicated to the "creation vs. evolution" issue.. even the "young people ask" article will be something like "how can i defend my belief in creation in school?

also, i think one of the articles is entitled "does the bible support the notion that the earth was created in 6 24-hour days?".

dilaceratus

Midget-Sasquatch, This is priceless! It shows how far Behe has fallen, that, after getting laughed out of court as unscientific, he's reduced to a crummy infobox in the Awake! magazine. Of course, in the Awake! magazine's case, it's never too late to hitch your star to a wagon (I.D.) that is careening off a cliff.

It is quite curious that the interviewer failed to ask Behe why it is he believes wholeheartedly as proved fact all of the other parts of evolution that the WTBTS does not.

Blondie, Behe's Catholic. Interestingly, in Darwin's Black Box he claims that there was an event of human parthenogenesis during World War Two (in England or Germany, I don't recall which all these years later), due to the shock the woman suffered from a bomb blast, but didn't offer a citation. A decade later, I have just now recalled that I wanted to look that up.

Arthur, Who are the "more and more scientists" suggesting that the Genesis account matches the evolutionary model? Since it doesn't, at all.

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

Also, it seems that the 1938 Fascism or Freedom booklet is still worth quoting, to some. It is odd they fail to mention the damning "proof" found on pages fourteen and fifteen.

http://www.reexamine.org/index.php?title=Revelation_-_Its_Great_Climax_is_at_Hand%21

[Box on page 225]

“Upon the Sun”

As the “sun” of human rulership has “scorched” mankind during the Lord’s day, the John class, with statements such as the following, has drawn attention to what is happening:

“Today Hitler and Mussolini, the arbitrary dictators, threaten the peace of the whole world, and they are fully supported in their destruction of freedom by the Roman Catholic Hierarchy.”—Fascism or Freedom, 1939, page 12.

“Throughout history the policy followed by human dictators has been, Rule or ruin! But the regulation now to be applied to all the earth by God’s installed King, Jesus Christ, is, Be ruled or be ruined.”—When All Nations Unite Under God’s Kingdom, 1961, page 23.

“Since 1945 more than 25 million persons have been killed in some 150 wars fought around the globe.”—The Watchtower, January 15, 1980, page 6.

“The nations around the world . . . care little about international responsibility or rules of conduct. To reach their ends, some nations feel fully justified in using any means that they consider necessary—massacres, assassinations, hijackings, bombings, and so on . . . How long will the nations put up with one another in such senseless and irresponsible conduct?”—The Watchtower, February 15, 1985, page 4.

I have to say, these quotes are amazing to me. Of what are they supposed to convince the reader? That more daring pronouncements are to be found on Starbucks coffee cups?

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

I'm not sure what L'Aurora was, or who Patrick O'Brien was supposed to be, but here's a 1950 quote from the intensely disgusting (and hardly credible) website of Ian Paisley:

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=rome_010198

By her own admission, Rome intends to destroy America, where she is entrenching herself with strength. An article in The Union and Echo, official diocesan organ of the Roman Catholic Church in Buffalo, in December 1950, declared:

"At the rate of 126,000 converts a year in the United States it would take us too long [to Romanise America]. We must convert [...] Politics, Economics, Sociology, Business, Entertainment, Labour and Management, the Department of State and the Executive Branch of our Government to Christian and hence Catholic principles."

This was put in no uncertain terms by "Father" Patrick O'Brien quoted in L'Aurora of the same date:

"We, the Hierarchy of the Holy Catholic Church, [...]if necessary, [...] shall change, mend, or blot out the present Constitution so that the President may enforce his, or rather our, humanitarian programme and all phases of human rights [!] as laid down by our saintly Popes and the Holy Mother Church. [...] We are going to have our laws made and enforced according to the Holy See and the Popes and the canon law of the Papal throne. Our entire social structure must be rebuilt on that basis. Our educational laws must be constructed to end the atheism, the Red peril of totalitarianism, Protestantism, Communism, Socialism and all other of like ilk and stamp, be driven from this fair land. [...] We control America and we do not propose to stop until America or Americans are genuinely Roman Catholic and remain so."

Assuming these quotes to not be fabricated and then distributed by these hate groups, this doesn't sound like either a Baptist or Anarchist paper-- it sounds like it could have been the self-published rantings of a halfwit. Although this quote is more openly damning of an alleged Catholic dream to control the United States, check out the ellipses use again. Is the Fascism or Freedom quote clipped from some other hate-peddling, ellipses-loving source? (Cf. The Life -- How Did it Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? book's lifting of (among others) the gratingly dishonest Lewontin quote from Impact.)

"I ... snuggled ... Jos. Rutherford ... [and] ... eskimo [kissed] ... [Nathan] Homer ... Knorr."

Since this statement has not been repudiated by Rutherford or Knorr, we will have to assume this it has their approval.

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

Update: I have not had time to devote to this topic, but did manage to read Jules Archer's The Plot to Seize the White House (1973), which is the story of Maj. Gen Smedley D. Butler, Gerald MacGuire, and the alleged "business plot" of the Morgans, DuPonts, the American Legion, and other industrialists to install a fascist government to replace Roosevelt in 1933. Fortunately, the text of this long out of print and quite rare book is available online (http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/plot/plottoseizethewhitehouse.htm). Unfortunately, it is a painfully written hagiography of Butler, and lacks footnotes. Also of interest is John L. Spivak's 1935 article for New Masses magazine, which first brought to light the censored testimony of Butler and MacGuire before the 1934 McCormack-Dickstein Committee (HUAC), the full text available online
(http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/John_L._Spivak), a quick viewing of which revealing its inherent biases and flaws. A curiosity is Butler's book[let?] War is a Racket, which is also available online (http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm).

Whether there even ever was a genuine plot in 1933, or whether it was all an elaborate con played by unknown persons for unknown gain is entirely debatable. My reading of the Butler plot was that it was constructed from day one begging to be revealed. Who might have benefited from a revelation of a fascist putsch involving big business is open for speculation, but there was surely a battle going on for Roosevelt's attentions, with both the far left and far right pulling. There were at least three high-level Soviet spies in the Roosevelt White House who might conceivably have been able to give the inside information to MacGuire that convinced Butler that the plot was real.

That said, I think a convincing case can be made that the "fascist plot" Rutherford described in June 1932 bears a strikingly complete resemblance to the plot described by Smedley Butler as having been revealed to him in the fall of 1933. What is most remarkable about this is that, although his "prediction" of a fascist takeover occurring within the next year didn't take place, in 1934 this story was the center headline of the New York Times-- the one time Rutherford came close to getting something kind of right, and yet it doesn't seem to have been mentioned again. This is grossly atypical behavior, and highly suspicious. Under what type of threat would Rutherford keep his mouth closed?

There are so many nebulous plots within plots here that it is hard to make sense of what any of this means. Based on not much more than my own prejudices, I suspect that Rutherford was being scammed by somebody, with the purpose of revealing this plot, and this was likely the same person or group who tried the same method a year later with Butler.

The largest questions presently:

1.) Why, even if his connection to the Butler affair was entirely coïncidental, after humiliating failure after humiliating failure, if Rutherford predicted something essentially correctly, would he not have brought this victory up at least eighty thousand times?

2.) Why did Rutherford address the Bonus Army at all?

3.) Why did Rutherford bring up the Gold Standard in this speech? (Asking the General to endorse the Gold Standard at the American Legion convention was the first play MacGuire made for Butler.)

4.) What letters are Rutherford speaking of in his address?

5.) Where did Rutherford get this information?

6.) Who, or what, entity would have benefited from the exposure of such a plot, and been able to keep Rutherford quiet about its particulars afterwards?

Since the question of the actual character and particulars of the Business Plot are so murky, if there was, truly, an earlier attempt to unclothe this supposed plot through Rutherford, the answers to these questions may not only shed light upon the early motivations and influences of the WTBTS, but also on who was behind the plot to reveal it through Maj. Gen. Butler.

P.S. It was not at all likely to have been the F.B.I.-- Butler was on highly congenial terms with J. Edgar Hoover.

Leolaia, thank you for your correction regarding the date to which Rutherford referred. I have apparently not had enough experience with dictating. My searches did include this possibility, however, so I doubt I missed it. As far as finding it, however, the letter Rutherford was quoting really does read as farce, the sort of thing Andy Hardy might have uncovered. If this letter was something (like the eighteen thousand dollar bills MacGuire showed Butler, or the msyeriously uncashed checks he pulled from his wallet to prove his veracity) provided Rutherford by MacGuire (or someone operating in a similar capacity) it won't be found anywhere, though.

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

. . . Big Business maintains paid

lobbyists at Washington, which lobbyists con-

duct also a bureau of information for the spe-

cial benefit of their employers. Each week a

letter goes from that bureau of information to

the executive heads of Big Business corpora-

tions. From one of these communications, dated

May 14, last, I quote the following:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/051118.html

Dumbfounded later commentators have tended to ask the same question you did: How could America ignore a potential coup? (One plausible answer: fat cats controlled the press.) A more pertinent line of inquiry is: What went on here? The possibilities:

* Butler was lying, deluded, etc. Nah. Browse through the testimony and you find that the committee did, as claimed, corroborate the essentials of the general's story.

* A number of U.S. plutocrats really did conspire to depose the president. It's not out of the question. Though the idea of a popular revolt financed by zillionaires seems harebrained now, it was less so in the 1930s. In Europe jobless veterans were a potent political force, and enlisting respected military leaders in right-wing schemes was a common ploy--witness von Hindenburg in Germany and, a little later, Marshall Petain in France. The New Deal polarized the nation; many in the moneyed crowd really did fear FDR was opening the door to Bolshevism.

* MacGuire was a con artist. Butler himself wondered whether MacGuire was using Clark's paranoia about losing his fortune to wheedle cash out of him.

* The plot never got further than a small cadre of screwballs. The simplest explanation in my book. Though MacGuire dropped lots of big names, Butler had contact with only three conspirators--MacGuire, Clark, and the other American Legion official who'd tagged along on the first couple visits. Clark had a reputation as an eccentric. MacGuire was well wired, predicting political developments with uncanny accuracy, but that proves little in itself. Maybe the plotters figured if they got Butler on board everybody else would fall into line. Who's to say they wouldn't have? Look at the bridge club's worth of geniuses who got us into Iraq.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/coup.html

That MacGuire had significant financial backing behind him seems clear,
considering the substantial bank savings books he showed to Butler. What
remains unclear is whether the names MacGuire dropped (other than Robert
Sterling Clark) were really involved, or whether MacGuire was a con man.

MacGuire's claims and financial resources alone did not convince Butler that
such a conspiracy actually existed. The fulfillment of a series of startling
predictions by MacGuire did finally persuade Butler that there was more than
just hot air involved. MacGuire knew in advance of significant personnel
changes in the White House. He correctly predicted the formation of the
American Liberty League (the major conservative opposition to Roosevelt),
and the principal players in it. Especially disturbing was that many of the
supposed backers of the plot were also members of the League. MacGuire's
claim that the League ("villagers in the opera" of the scheme, in MacGuire's
words) was part of the plot could not be easily dismissed.

The American Liberty League was a successor to the highly successful
Association Against the Prohibition Amendment, the lobbying organization
responsible for the repeal of the "Noble Experiment." From its formation in
1918 until 1926, the AAPA made little progress, at least partly because it
had little money. But in 1926, money poured into the AAPA from some of
America's wealthiest men, including Pierre, Irenee, and Lammot du Pont, John
J. Raskob, and Charles H. Sabin. The AAPA spent its new found wealth on
distribution of literature, and on the formation of a bewildering number of
associated organizations. These associated organizations gave the impression
of a grassroots movement, rather than a collection of millionaires feeding
press releases to friendly newspapers. The AAPA also rapidly took control of
the Democratic Party, with one of their supporters, Al Smith, receiving the
1928 Democratic Presidential nomination. While AAPA had powerful friends
within the Republican Party, they never achieved control of it.

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

Deeper and deeper...

"If Jesus were to walk into Washington today [June 26, 1932] and mingle with the suffering veterans in their camp he would be denounced by the clergymen as a man of low civilization."

I had assumed this was referring to the Bonus Army that were camped in Washington, DC. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army) What I didn't know was that Smedley Butler was a defender of the protesters, and spoke before them just a few days before Patton and MacArthur drove them out.

Were Rutherford and Butler in Washington at the same time? Strange.

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

Dear Leolaia,

The copyright on The Crisis reads 1933, but on p. 24 reads, "If Jesus were to walk into Washington today [June 26, 1932] and mingle with the suffering veterans in their camp he would be denounced by the clergymen as a man of low civilization." I take the quote on p. 10, "From one of these communications, dated May 14, last, . . ." to then mean he was speaking about 14 May 1931. I have been searching the archives of periodicals and magazines of the time for 1930-33, just in case any of these dates are off.

One possibility has arisen that I had certainly not expected: What if, on this issue of a fascist uprising, Rutherford was not correct, but possibly somewhat reliably informed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

I had never heard of this incident, and apparently it is one of the more unprobed areas of American history. The problem with connecting it to the Rutherford quote is that the dates are all at least a year off.

Given their common views on a number of issues, and Butler's career as a lecturer, it does not seem impossible that his story (very strangely, a year or two in advance) made it to Rutherford or one of his operatives. Butler's story has a lot of imponderables to it (why would industrialists pick a noted pacifist, for one thing), so maybe the one he eventually told was one he had been refining for some time beforehand.

It could also be coïncidence, a typical conspiracy theory running in sync with a genuine conspiracy.

On the negative side, the hearings for this took place in 1934, and I find it impossible to believe that the Watchtower would not still be crowing about Rutherford having announced a genuine scandal ahead of time... Unless Rutherford's source was disreputable, and would give them a black eye. Also, in 1938 Rutherford was still claiming the "Hierarchy" were out to hijack the constitution.

Knowing the source of that quote would help a lot in knowing what direction to take this mystery.

[Dilaceratus]

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

This post will be somewhat lengthy, but I would like to lay out quite deliberately what is contained in the first few pages of Rutherford's 1933 booklet The Crisis, as it relates to the interesting confluence of above posts regarding Rutherford's rantings about a Catholic "Hierarchy" conspiracy, and the possible influence of other conspiracy minded groups (such as the Ku Klux Klan) on Rutherford's views.

All quotes are from
1933 The Crisis, explained in Three bible Treatises
by J. F. Rutherford

The entire 64-page booklet is available at
http://www.reexamine.info/reex/download.php?url=/30s/1933%20The%20Crisis.pdf

To frame how Jehovah's Witness readers were expected to view this work, and the place Rutherford set for himself, notice the Preface, p. 3:

. . . It discloses the
reason for oppression and suffering, why it
must end, and why it will be succeeded by a
better condition. It is not the expression of
a man's opinion. Based upon the indisputable
evidence it shows that the crisis of the Ameri-
can government is now at hand.

On page six, however, we find something which, if factual, is news to almost everyone:

Big Business has no regard for the rights
of the common people. The Civil War of 1863
was fomented and carried forward for the pur-
pose of creating a condition by which Big Busi-
ness could obtain a strangle hold upon the na-
tion. To free the land from the traffic of hu-
man flesh and blood was the ostensible reason
for that war, but the real reason was to enable
a selfish company to control the finances and all
the business interests of the nation. . . .

As a matter of fact, this is the sort of thing you are likely to hear from those who have had fairly close and friendly contact with the Ku Klux Klan. Moving onward to page 7, another conspiracy awaits...

Today Big Business owns practically every-
thing visible. . . . A few ultrarich men
fix the prices of the food produced. . .

Typical conspiracy theory boilerplate, not that uncommon during the Depression of the 1930s. At times in his writing, when Rutherford says "Big Business" he clearly means "Jews," but at other times he does not, so it's hard (I think purposefully) to pinpoint who he means here. Any listener of an hysterical mindset could apply the code words to whichever nighttime menace most appealed to their venom.

Big Business, which is composed of a very
few big men, owns and controls the telegraph and
telephone lines, the radio, the electric and pow-
we lines, and it owns and controls the mines that
produce the fuel and the building material
which all the people are compelled to use. It
owns and controls the banks, and most of the
money that is in them. It is in possession of the
greater portion of the gold that rightfully be-
longs to the government. . . .

Don't forget Rutherford started out for W. J. Bryan.

. . . Big Business has... the most astute lawyers... controls the
army and the navy, the guns and the ammunition, and the
police power of the nation.

And so on. This is all generally Populist fare.

Big Business... owns or controls almost all of
the newspapers and magazines.... The same selfish
interests own and control the professional clergymen. . .

And so on. Big Business surely was Big. But then--

...In 1917 the pred-
atory element that rules the nation created the
slogan, "The war that will make the world safe for
deomcracy," and then caused its propaganda
press and hypocritical clergymen to sound
this false slogan throughout the land.

This could be a veiled reference to E.L. Bernays (Jewish-- Freud's nephew) and the Committee on Public Information (CPI), who coined the phrase. Bernays is found throughout
conspiracy works as the inventor of propaganda, mind-control, and advertising, and the one who conned the public into accepting the horrors of fluoridation.

Now
after fourteen years democracy has disappeared
from the earth. There is at this very time a
concerted movement by those few men who con-
trol the commerce of the land to have America
ruled by a dictator,

Although one might leap to the conclusion that this has to do with the "dictatorship" of Roosevelt that is still being claimed by many far-right types, and the overwhelming percentage of the Jewish vote he received, it doesn't. This radio address was made in 1932.

which means the setting
aside of all constitutional law and the putting
into force such orders as the dictator may deem

necessary. The public press has been instructed
to diplomatically educate the people as to the
necessity of a dictator before the step is ac-
tually taken and the dictatorial power disclosed. . . .

And now the really interesting part:

. . . Big Business maintains paid
lobbyists at Washington, which lobbyists con-
duct also a bureau of information for the spe-
cial benefit of their employers. Each week a
letter goes from that bureau of information to
the executive heads of Big Business corpora-
tions. From one of these communications, dated
May 14, last, I quote the following:

It is beginning to be apparent that some substitute
for a coalition government will have to be formed to
handle the situation after adjournment of Congress.
. . . There are several plans, but one revolves about
the idea of assembling in Washington, or subject to
quick call, a group of a dozen or more men . . . Dic-

tatorship, which is being advocated more from week
to week, would be avoided, but some of the practical
merits of dictatorship would be obtained. At least
this is the hope behind the idea, which is an adapta-
tion of the set-up represented by the war-time Council
of National Defense. . . . One practical objection is
that the public might be unduly alarmed by implica-
tions in the summoning of a council of advisers. . . .
We have reason for believing the plan will materialize,
and we advise you [executive business heads] in ad-
vance to consider it a good sign.

First off, this is not just crackpot dementia, it is grade-D. Secondly, this story of the secret communications has to have a source (I am unaware of any point of Watchtower history where they actually invented something--their habit has been to borrow, cobble, and distort). Thirdly, Rutherford actually quotes something to support his assertions. Although published in 1933, this radio address was broadcast 26 June 1932. Therefore, this secret letter "dated May 14, last" would have been 14 May 1931. Unless Rutherford actually wrote it himself, he cribbed it from somewhere else, and that somewhere else could be extremely revealing.

Unfortunately, I have spent this day searching, and have yet to come up with even a clue as what that source might have been. Any help? Suggestions? At present, I do not have online university library access.

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

It is hard to determine whether this is a deliberate con aimed at the most mentally deficient of Rutherford's listeners (and readers), or whether this is just batshit crazy. I love the idea of an ecumenical conference coming together in order to select a single person to defend their satanic purposes against the blazing truth of J. F. Rutherford. And having to go Dutch treat, too!

Again, from a contemporaneous booklet, 1933s The Crisis, which is available at www.reexamine.org.

1933 The Crisis, explained in Three Bible Treatises
by J. F. Rutherford

P. 41

I therefore invite the organization known as
the Federation of Churches of Christ in Ameri-
ca, together with all Catholic and Protestant
organizations, to confer together and to jointly
agree upon and select one man to be their
spokesman in a nation-wide debate by radio.
Let them pay one half of the expense, Jehovah's
witnesses will supply supply the money for the other
half. Jehovah's witnesses will select a man to be
their spokesman in this debate. Give the people
a fair opportunity to hear and to determine for
themselves what is the truth. I charge that the
clergymen and hindering the people from learn-
ing the truth, and I therefore name the follow-
ing issues for debate, to wit:

RESOLVED, (1) That the clergymen, both Cath-
olic and Protestant, do not represent Jehovah
God and Christ, but they do represent and
serve Satan the Devil;

[... blahblahblah ... P.42 ... sputter ...]

(4) That those who are opposed to the mes-
sage which Jehovah's witnesses are now carry-
ing to the people by radio and in printed form
are fighting against God and will receive a just
recompense at the hands of the Lord for so
doing.

I ask this radio audience to demand that the
clergymen accept this challenge and arrange
for this debate or else admit to the people that
they are wrong and cease for ever from the per-
secution of Jehovah's witnesses. Let all who
are for or against Jehovah's witnesses write a
letter to me, in care of your station, demanding
that such public discussion be had in the inter-
est of the people. I will furnish these letters to
the public press, that the people may know what
is being done.

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Golden Age Goodies

by Leolaia in

recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

dilaceratus

"I still believe that we can find where Rutherford took his idea concerning the catholic's conspiracy, if we can find where he has found this letter's extracts. "

Dear Chasson,

I think I may have found a new lead on this very question, and am on that search right now.

Thank you again for posting your Golden Age scan.

[Dilaceratus]