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  Masterful Game With Spiritual Stalkers

  by WinAgainstThem in

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  i've been in the ''truth'' for about 7 years.

  basically i grew up believing in it, but knew joining it would destroy me.

  im simply awkward around people and have suffered from social anxiety all my life.

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  The elders suggested that I see a psychiatrist, to which I replied...so you dont believe in demons?

  ROFL--that's quite the opposite of what typically happens--a jw wants to see a doc and the elders say it's demons, not mental illness.

  I've actually pretended to be demon-possessed to keep dubs away. I did it all dramatic and fake, just to see how far I could take it and have them believe it. I could give you some tips--roll your eyes in the back of your head, talk in a throaty voice, laugh at inappropriate times and in a spooky way. lol

  I'm sure there are people who will criticize us for this, and that's ok. My situation was one of severe physical abuse and medical neglect (verbal abuse too), and I used practical jokes, smarts and mind games to fight back. I don't regret it. IMO trying to force someone with severe social anxiety into giving talks and all that stuff is pretty evil, and I see no problem with using their irrational beliefs against them.

  Heck, maybe a few will wake up because of it, realizing how nuts their beliefs are.
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  The Memorial campaign: What question from a householder would have made you think?

  by Faithful Witness in

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  i know that soon, the jws in our area will be out in full force, on their hit and run campaign with invitations to the memorial.

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  did you ever encounter a householder during this campaign, that made you stop and think about what you were doing?

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  rebel8

  Householders actually did make me think. IIRC, it was mostly them proving the wts was wrong biblically.

  Anyway, how about 2 questions:

  1. I heard jws believe they have always known the truth about medical science, because Jehovah has given them this special knowledge?
  2. Do you still believe that c olds are cured by jumping while naked? (GA 9/8/1937)
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  Abhor Menstruating Women.......Because The FDS say so.

  by pronomono in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow.

  the insight book has some outlandish reasoning.

  i'm trying to put together a talk for tomorrow night, the number 3 on abhorrent things (insight vol 1, p 17) and the entire first half links abhorrent things to menstruating women through a "possible" derived word that might mean uncleaness.

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  Oh, don't forget foreplay, popular music, the Internet, windchimes, etc.
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  Abhor Menstruating Women.......Because The FDS say so.

  by pronomono in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow.

  the insight book has some outlandish reasoning.

  i'm trying to put together a talk for tomorrow night, the number 3 on abhorrent things (insight vol 1, p 17) and the entire first half links abhorrent things to menstruating women through a "possible" derived word that might mean uncleaness.

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  I'm trying to put together a talk for tomorrow night, the number 3 on Abhorrent Things

  Ok, well presuming NOT giving the talk and never going to the meeting again is not under consideration, then you should go full-on Superfine NY Old School Dub. Abhorrent is the perfect topic for that. Give LOTS of examples of things like drinking too much, eating too much, laughing too much, etc.
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  2014 Event

  by enigma1863 in

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  2. friends

  i know its a year away but i wanted to inquire about the hundred year anniversary of 1914. it would be amazing to have a world wide event reguarding all exjws.

  i am nowhere near capable of putting this together but i'd like to propose the largest assembly of exjws ever on october 1st 2014. can it be done?

  am i the first to bring this up?

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  What is everyone's take on how significant this actually is?

  • I heard many younger jws do not even know/remember that 1914 played any major role in doctrine. It's Old Light.
  • This is only one of many, many false predictions. 100 yrs later doesn't seem that strong of evidence. People can live past 100...

  1914 was not the first End prediction.

  Imagine news coverage saying, "Yeah, this is 100 yrs after one of the dozens of times the jws said the world was supposed to end, then said it was the beginning of the end, and then said it was almost totally insignificant. In other news..." Sounds like a yawn to me?
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  3 years of study, Just found out!

  by impala63rag in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello friends, .

  i would like some advice from those that are inpartial, and are familiar with the teachings of jw.

  i studied with a wonderful jw couple weekly for 3 years.

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  now I am to believe we are in the last days, and not to associate with anyone who doesn't think so?
  
  Absolutely. This is a fundamental doctrine of theirs.
  
  never heard that phrase (faithful and discreet slave), the governing body, or dis-fellowshipping...JW couple did not watch movies that were not rated G, and didnt watch the news, but I thought that was a personal choice...never mentioned anything about being politically nuetral...never told about spiritism...
  
  Wow. Either these are the most inept jw recruiters ever, or they have created this strategy specifically for you. Usually they introduce this stuff after studying for a while.

  If you're thinking, oh, maybe these dubs don't believe that, stop right there. They teach their religion is universal, exactly the same across the globe.
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  3 years of study, Just found out!

  by impala63rag in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello friends, .

  i would like some advice from those that are inpartial, and are familiar with the teachings of jw.

  i studied with a wonderful jw couple weekly for 3 years.

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  rebel8

  I'd suggest continuing to check what their own publications say. Then you can make an informed decision.

  One thing to be aware of is that it isn't like mainstream religions when you can call yourself a member but disagree with some of the teachings or not fully participate. Either you're in or you're out. From their own words:

  Revelation 3:16 'So, because you are lukewarm---neither hot nor cold---I am about to spit you out of my mouth."

  There's a lot more sinister stuff that goes on with this religion than meets the eye. Terrible, terrible things. But please verify this for yourself.

  Example you may find interesting: Watchtower's 2012 DVD, Become Jehovah's Friend - Listen, Obey and Be Blessed.
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  UN vs. The Vatican - Ex-JWs, are you sure?

  by gold_C in

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  2. current

  so about a few years ago, thanks to this site i became convinced that everything that the jws have been saying is a bunch of nonsense and that i shouldn't worry about it.

  it gave me some comfort, since there are several things i disagree with when it comes to the way one has to live in order to be a witness.

  however, this business with the un attacking the vatican seems a little too much like what the witnesses have been preaching about to simply ignore:.

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  You've been brainwashed to experience emotions before facts. It's natural to have these feelings in response to world events. But feelings are not facts. Remind yourself of this.

  the UN is becoming increasingly agressive toward the church

  You know, I've seen this posted on many sites but I cannot find substantiation of it.

  Does anyone have more info about this? Agressive in what way? Outspoken against child abuse?

  I don't think saying children's safety comes before the church's safety is a threat. It's a pretty sane statement IMO, sensical and long overdue.
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  3 years of study, Just found out!

  by impala63rag in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello friends, .

  i would like some advice from those that are inpartial, and are familiar with the teachings of jw.

  i studied with a wonderful jw couple weekly for 3 years.

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  rebel8

  You can find the answers to these questions in their own publications. Quotes can be found on this site and many others. When you find it in their own words, then it will hold more weight. If you just go by what we tell you, jws will tell you we are demonized, lying, etc. You can find some rather disturbing things in their own words!

  During this time, it was never mentioned that the church REQUIRED it's members to say, do and think a certain way.

  That's probably because you were not spiritually progressing. (Studying 3 yrs and never going to the KH is kinda unheard of. They're told not to waste >6 months on someone, to move on if the person doesn't join up by then.)

  Cults, or high control groups, tend to not expose newbies to the more upsetting teachings until they're more fully adhering to the group. Scientology does this, for example, by setting the level you must achieve before you learn some of the doctrines.

  But heck yes, that is definitely their teaching. More here.

  "If we stop actively supporting Jehovah's work, then we start following Satan. There is no middle ground." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.18

  "But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

  "But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." Watchtower 1993 Sep 15 p.22

  A destructive cult...claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the ONLY viable system for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. factnet.org
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  does it even matter?

  by losingit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am thinking of sending a simple fb message to all of the jws i know.. "jwfacts.com" with the tag line, "you're in a cult.".

  my motivation?

  i am disturbed about the fact that these people that pretended to be friends look at me with a negative eye and have no clue as to how they abandoned my girls and i in a desperate time of need over the course of this past year.

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  rebel8

  If u want to go out in a blaze of glory, albeit a gradual one:

  Start with the quote from the litterature about how important it is to delve into old publications.

  Next up: the quote about how the truth cannot contradict itself and how the wts has always had the truth.

  Then start quoting contradictions, like, we ARE prophets, we are NOT prophets. etc.