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  Guardian of Doctrine Admits 'Doesn't Really Matter If Jehovah is Accurate' say it how you want...

  by LostGeneration in

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  tough to watch this whole video, the way he talks gets pretty annoying, especially after the rc hearings:.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwban_201506_1_video.

  go to around 8:20 where he gets into the pronunciation of jehovah.

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  Jehobo

  Good one! That is going right in here.
  
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  I was unkind & I am deeply sorry

  by Dolosus in

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  2. beliefs

  early this morning, i was stopped at a service station dealing with a mechanical issue with my motorcycle.

  i was approached by 2 young men who pro-offered some of your reading material.

  i deeply regret that i was very unkind; in actual fact, i was quite mean in my response to them.

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  jws are not allowed to come to sites like this. Most of the people here have or are in the process of escaping that mind control cult, and understand your frustration.
  
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  What Convinced you to Leave?

  by LaurenM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been posting here a lot, but these last few weeks have been very difficult for me.

  anyways, lately, i've been thinking about confessing everything i've done to the elders and going back, but deep down, i don't really think it's the truth...so my question is, what convinced you it wasn't the truth and that leaving wasn't a horrible decision that everyone in the truth makes it out to be?

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  what convinced you it wasn't the truth

  I always secretly had trouble believing, though I tried and tried. I concealed that even from myself, because I figured something must be wrong with me. I knew there were major flaws in all of their teachings. Major.

  I tried so hard to live as a superfine jw, good association and all that. But it was such a sad existence. I hated field service and the lack of joy in life in general. I hated the fact that education was against the rules. I hated the fact that most of my hobbies were seen as ways to distract me from jehoopla (wholesome things like doing artwork and fundraising walks for charities).
  

  The lack of love was horrific. The people I dealt with (few exceptions) had puny consciences and were huge bullies and manipulators.
  

  We started studying that red Revelation book at the Tuesday book study. It was so bizarre and violent. What kind of sick god executes kittens and babies because they weren't in the right religion?
  

  There were lots of end-times calculations in it. I did the calculations on paper and on a calculator and the numbers didn't add up to what was in the book. I even showed several people and none of them could come up with the "right" answer by adding the numbers. Finally they told me the brothers have secret knowledge and I was wrong for doubting. That made no sense!
  

  and that leaving wasn't a horrible decision that everyone in the truth makes it out to be?

  That took time. I ultimately decided being a jw was such a hugely miserable life that I'd rather die. I looked out for lightning bolts for a long time. Gradually, I realized the lightning wouldn't be coming.

  My advice is to give yourself time and patience. The truth can withstand all scrutiny. It's ok to think. Jehovah gave you a brain. Thinking is not wrong.
  
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  Old brainwashing/blood

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as you probably know, this is me and you can imagine that the old brainwashing sucks for me sometimes.

  i don't believe anything wts says about medical care, i don't agree, and i have seen the proof they are wrong.

  i've been out for a long time.

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  Thanks to all.

  they still have control

  Yep. I had an automatic thought recently: "I should take a smaller dose because I'm being greedy." WTH!
  

  Thankfully I banished it immediately, but it kept popping up into my head!

  Some people say cults are equal to all religions. I am not saying any religion is right or morally good, but brainwashing only occurs in cults.
  
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  Old brainwashing/blood

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as you probably know, this is me and you can imagine that the old brainwashing sucks for me sometimes.

  i don't believe anything wts says about medical care, i don't agree, and i have seen the proof they are wrong.

  i've been out for a long time.

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  As you probably know, this is me and you can imagine that the old brainwashing sucks for me sometimes.

  I don't believe anything wts says about medical care, I don't agree, and I have seen the proof they are wrong. I've been out for a long time. Yet, there are those old rusty thoughts hiding in the hidden corners of my brain.
  

  Lately, while having medical care, the thought, "Using blood products is greedy," kept popping into my head. (I hate that.) I couldn't remember a specific teaching, only that it was told to me.

  Found it.

  The naturalist Pliny (a contemporary of the apostles) and the second-century physician Aretaeus report that human blood was a treatment for epilepsy. Tertullian later wrote: "Consider those who with greedy thirst, at a show in the arena, take the fresh blood of wicked criminals … and carry it off to heal their epilepsy."
  

  Dumbasses. Creeps. A big middle finger up for messing with my brain.
  
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  Helen Keller is not a hero

  by StopTheTears in

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  few realize just how wicked some of the most revered people in history were.

  helen keeler (1880 to 1968) was a wolf in sheep's clothing, no hero.

  keller was a communist.

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  I think this post is a joke.
  
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  Help me Out Here

  by vinman in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been out about 9 months.

  and yes i am still obsessed with anti-watchtower material.

  i've been married 23 years.

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  Of course--it's part of the normal grief process.

  You can't recoup lost time. All you can do is make the most of what you've got to work with now. Build yourself a life worth living.
  
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  Lewd act with a child under 14 years of age

  by gda in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/.

  on january 6, 2015, the paso robles police department in california charged a jehovahs witness, steven martin lindhorst, 51, with the following offenses:.

  lewd act with a child under 14 years of age (felony), possession of child pornography (felony), possession of explicit child pornography (felony), posting intimate photos of another without consent (misdemeanor).

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  Well that's a switch. The elders told the police and now the court is arguing they violated the perp's confidentiality.
  
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  Some Bethelites are Jackasses

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.

  she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.

  she posted about it on her personal blog.

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  That blog post is very confusing.

  The main gist is they are "harassing" her by visiting her blog. The purpose of blogs is to bring people to it. If you don't want people reading your writings, you use a diary, not a blog.

  Also, visiting your blog is not harassing at all.
  

  Secondly, this:

  I've even had them try to change my lesson plans for my school classes

  What now?
  
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Mentally ill people cannot help their actions or often even realize them.

  True in some cases at certain junctures when symptoms are at their worst.
  

  As a behavioral health clinician, I had a patient confess murder and another violent crime to me. I asked him why he didn't kill the 2nd victim and he said he stopped because he knew it was wrong. This was a person who was very obviously mentally ill by anyone's observation--always acting and dressing bizarre. I talked to him about turning himself in to the police. He agreed he should be locked up and acknowledged his acts were wrong.

  That is my most "not cognizant" example of a patient-criminal. My others had a greater awareness of their wrongs and ability to stop them.

  There is a saying in AA that is good. "You are not responsible for your disease, but you are responsible for your recovery."

  True, the difficulty with mental illness is getting the person to be aware of the problem and accept help. This is true of most humans who need to change something big about themselves--we don't like change or admitting something's wrong.

  This guy reportedly had persecutory delusions and command hallucinations, indicative of the most serious level of illness. He refused help--not unusual. It's unfortunate no one forced him to get help before he became violent.