Posts by rebel8
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14A most interesting Christmas present
by JeffT inso our daughter gave my wife and i a very nice family album of photos from the course of the year.
as we opened it, she said it had a surprise hidden in it, so we're watching for something to fall out.
about 2/3 or the way through it we hit an ultrasound print of a tiny baby.
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So my brother called me last night...
by pale.emperor inmy older brother is studying with the witnesses.
he was raised in a jw household like we all were but he never committed to it.
he stopped attending meetings at 18yo, made a lot of bad decisions in his life and now, at 35yo is having a bible study.
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rebel8
It seems odd he would call you on Xmas Eve.
I wonder if his circular logic is something he's aware of.
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Nic's Alternative Xmas Message.
by nicolaou ini've done a few of these over the years but this time it's very simple.. beware jc, the bearded man who promises salvation and raises the hopes of many.
read his words of division if you're ever tempted to join his followers, or just ignore him and enjoy your life.
happy holidays everyone!
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rebel8
But seriously...I came here to say this. To all those ex-dubs who are feeling awkward or disappointment at Christmases missed...Merry whatever you want it to be. Don't set yourself up for sadness too much. Grieve over things you missed, then let it go.
Feeling awkward? Join the club. Just find joy in what you can and leave the rest. There is no honor in torturing yourself with bad memories.
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What's Expected in Field Service?
by Cold Steel indo all potential converts have to take part in field service before baptism?
and do new members generally try to bring in their friends and family or do they generally keep their religion to themselves?
what do pioneers do if they're going door to door and chance on someone they know or work with in their personal lives?
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rebel8
Do all potential converts have to take part in field service before baptism?
Yes
And do new members generally try to bring in their friends and family
Yes, there are regular guilt tripping sermons about people who are bloodguilty for not trying to convert everyone they know.
What do Pioneers do if they're going door to door and chance on someone they know or work with in their personal lives?
The same sales pitch you use on everybody else.
Has this ever happened to you?
Yes it has happened and it was humiliating.I tried hard to avoid preaching in my own neighborhood, but you still often encounter people you know.
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Living Vicariously Through the Sheep.
by donny inwhen i got baptized as a jehovah’s witness in the summer of 83, my honeymoon period lasted about two years before i began to wonder if the society and its adherents were all it claimed to be.
no of the things i encountered for the first few years was really faith shattering, they simply just made me pause and think.
after a short while, i would file those issues in the back of my brain files and move forward.. .
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rebel8
Creepy!
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Is it morally wrong to put Watchtower behind?
by Darkknight757 inwith our latest and final run in with the elders, the wife and i had a very long talk about what's next in our life.
do we try to help others see the light as it were concerning watchtower or do we just let it go and move on with our life?
we have made it perfectly clear that we will never go back to watchtower and we are finally happy.
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rebel8
Rephrasing the question in the OP may help:
Is it morally wrong to stop doing morally wrong, pointless, self-defeating things in the course of obeying a made up religion that worships an imaginary bearded sky daddy in their whacked out interpretation of the ramblings of Bronze Age slave owners, which has been rewritten and translated too many times to know for sure what it ever originally said?
Hope that helps.
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Beth Shan - Rutherford's House of Security - IMAGES
by Bloody Hotdogs! ini thought i would supplement this thread with some new images of beth shan.. location:.
[url=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg.html][img]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg[/img][/url].
1939, during construction:.
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rebel8
Wouldn't it be awesome if those properties were given to a nonprofit someday and became anti-cult museums? Imagine.
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Jesus Christ was no Moses
by smiddy inmoses has a history of what 80+ years as a servant of jehovah ?
in one form or another .. moses wrote / penned the first five books of the bible and went through many trials and tribulations in serving his god jehovah in his long lifetime.interacting with god at times.. jesus was born and nothing is recorded of him until he is a young adolescent child ?
and very little about him.. then we are introduced to him when he is 30 years old and gets baptised ,and only then does he start his preaching .. does he start preaching to the world ?
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rebel8
The history of Christianity is bad, but think how worse it would be if Jesus advocated violence.
Believe in any religion you wish, but let's not claim Jesus was a nice guy.
“Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me" (Matthew 10:34)
Because of Jesus, families will battle each other.(Matthew 10:21)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. (Matthew 5:17)
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us, the unchosen, will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” Revelations (19:20-21)
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I am Deaf and blind is Jehovah going to destroy me because I can't hear or see a JW broadcast or read a watchtower or go to the kingdumb hall???
by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE inan easy way to stump the delusional jws at your door is come to the door with sunglasses on holding a sign with the words in the above title, and not say a word.
the reaction will be priceless.... hopefully it will wake up those that still have some use of their thinking abilities..
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rebel8
I don't think it's true that blind and deaf people can't go to the kh or read a braille piece of litteratrash.
I can even imagine a story in a ragazine:
Sister U.C. is totally blind and deaf and lived miles from the hall. Yet she never misses a meeting. She hikes alone through the jungle twice a week to get to the meetings. Instead of doing something actually useful, like, um, giving her a fracking ride to the meeting, the brothers installed a rope along the 18-mile trail, which she holds onto to guide herself to the hall.
At one point in her journey, she has to wade through waist-deep, piranha-infested waters. (The brothers lovingly put her braille literature in Ziploc bags so it doesn't get wet on the way home.) Sometimes she is attacked by rabid apes, anacondas and demon-possessed Voodoo practitioners who thought she was coming to them requesting female circumcision. When the Voodoo tribe was finally able to understand what the frack she was doing there, they said, "What an impressive woman doing a totally dangerous and pointless thing with her life." The apes and anacondas made similar comments. Obviously, this was a fine witness to them and it softened their hearts.
She also placed braille literature with the apes and has return visits set up with them each Thursday, so she is now able to count her hiking time towards her field service quota.
She never complains about the need to wear 1950s meeting clothing, such as low-heeled pumps, pantyhose and full slips as she treks in 300% humidity and high temperatures. What a fine example she is!
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Jehovah is unjust (outrageous article on slavery in last WT for public)
by Master_Bob inaccording to the last paragraph of the article entitled "escape from slavery—then and now" (wt#2, 2017).
jehovah god felt grieved by the harsh treatment of israelite slaves in egypt; he must feel the same way about similar injustice today.. .
if you call modern slavery "injustice", wasn't the slavery during moses time also "injustice"?
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rebel8
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
