Posts by rebel8

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Children and Blood Transfusions

by Listener in

a hospital in qld.

australia sought orders to allow a blood transfusion on a minor if necessary.

this occurred on the 12th june 2015.the child was 7 years old and required a liver transplant within the next two or three years otherwise death was seen as inevitable.

rebel8

When I was a young kid in the 70's my nan used to go on about how bad aluminium cookware was and I didn't know what the hell she was on about.

Yeah, that was a big part of their litteratrash back in the day. I remember when I was a j-dub child, reading the old publications, and seeing those nutty cartoons and beliefs about pans/vaccines. The dubbies mostly acknowledged (then) that it was super weird and a product of Rutherford not having the light get brighter yet.

The truth is that the underlying anti-establishment, healthcare conspiracy beliefs continue to linger--born from that time. That inherited paranoia and refusal to believe facts is what's dangerous.

Let's never forget.

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Children and Blood Transfusions

by Listener in

a hospital in qld.

australia sought orders to allow a blood transfusion on a minor if necessary.

this occurred on the 12th june 2015.the child was 7 years old and required a liver transplant within the next two or three years otherwise death was seen as inevitable.

rebel8

children assaulted with a transfusion

What I'm about to say is the cult equivalent of, "Why, back in my day, I had to walk 10 miles to school in the snow, uphill both ways."

They definitely considered it assault. Not only did they demand the parents resist and even deceive officials in order to avoid blood, they taught me to do so as well. We used to have resistance drills where I would lie to healthcare professionals about my symptoms, and plan for me to trick them to leave the room so I could pull out the needle and escape to the nearest payphone. I had to memorize the phone number to the KH and others in the cong who might pick me up, if I wasn't able to get in touch with the cult parent.

We rotated hospitals, just like abusive parents do, to hide the medical neglect.

If it is truly allowed for the parents to just shrug and say, "Oh well, whatareyagonnado?" and remain in good standing, this is a definite change in policy over the last 30 years.

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The true sign of a Cult-Like group is:

by stuckinarut2 in

just thought we could have a concise thread listing the signs of a high control, or cult-like group:.

feel free to add to the list:.

the true sign of a cult-like group is:.

rebel8

If you give addicts or cultists the chance to define their label, they will usually give you a definition that is everything they personally are not. Alcoholic means somebody who drinks alone. Cultist is somebody who follows a single leader. And so on.

Us defining it is just keeping that problem going. "Apostates said___, so it's false." "Prohibitionists said ___, so I'll disregard it."

Good news--we don't have to. There are official definitions of these things. :)

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Hello everyone

by Lancashirelass in

jw
friends

i just wanted to add my name to the many number of people who have awakened from the cult.

i have been lurking for probably 2 years now.

and i'm quite certain there are many more lurking and reading just like me.. i have to be honest and say that i most likely will not be contributing much to the discussion board.

rebel8

I have to be honest and say that I most likely will not be contributing much to the discussion board.

This is the exact same thought I had over a decade ago.

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My gay friend went back to JWs?

by schnell in

one of my best friends was disfellowshipped several years ago, and word quickly got around that it was because he's gay.

we lost touch after that because of the disfellowshipping, but since i'm out now, i just found him online and got back in touch with him.

it was a great conversation, but he said he returned to jehovah.

rebel8

I don't understand how any gay person can be xian in any way. The bible is clear about its hatred.

I have known some homosexuals who literally hate themselves because of who they are naturally as human beings, which conflicts with an historically incorrect collection of hate-filled, bizarre ramblings from the Bronze Age.

These dear ones have tried suicide, drinking themselves to death, and other horrible means of self-punishment.

The fear of being oneself, as one was born, is confusing to me.

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I Think I have Found a Way to Litigate

by Simon Templar in

i have been thinking about how the wtb&t society bullies all of its members into submission with the threats they use (by practice), i.e.

“if you do this we will df you and you will be shunned”.

“if you da yourself, we will make an announcement and your friends, relatives and family will abandon you”, etc.

rebel8

So, in the eyes of your state constitution, "forced" = fearful of social and spiritual consequences if they don't?

I would be interested in reading the part of your constitution that says the following:

require the state to actively protect constitutionally guaranteed liberties against intrusions by private actors such as a religion and its hierarchy. This duty to protect can be a duty by the state to protect a believer from his/her religious community.

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HLC and privacy rights

by StarTrekAngel in

some time ago i used to work at a hospital.

when my family members would receive treatment at this place, often times they would ask me if i could look up information for them regarding their health.

i always had to tell them that privacy laws did not allow me to bypass the hospital's administration.

rebel8

If someone accesses medical records or passses medical info on to any third party then they should be sacked, or if they are a nurse or doctor then they should be struck off. I'm sure the US will be the same

On Page 1 I posted a link to the rule about giving basic info to clergy and visitors in the US.

It is legal.

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HLC and privacy rights

by StarTrekAngel in

some time ago i used to work at a hospital.

when my family members would receive treatment at this place, often times they would ask me if i could look up information for them regarding their health.

i always had to tell them that privacy laws did not allow me to bypass the hospital's administration.

rebel8

you respect the law. The problem is that in the name of "Jehovah", many JWs will violate the law

And that is why there are Health Information Privacy and Security Officers.

I was one in the past. I set up triggers when a person looks at an account with their same last name, same address, same phone #, is listed as next of kin, or is flagged as a VIP. I would investigate each one. I fired somebody for altering her daughter's financial info, for example, less than 24 hours after she did it.

I also did audits when a patient was the subject of media coverage--there would be a rash of people who suddenly had to look up that particular individual, though they were not currently involved in the case. They got disciplinary action.

I audited when a patient had something "interesting" going on that would spark snooping.

These are pretty standard safeguards in the US, which I'm sure StarTrekAngel knows all about. Dubbies can't get away with it as easily when there is an electronic medical record.

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HLC and privacy rights

by StarTrekAngel in

some time ago i used to work at a hospital.

when my family members would receive treatment at this place, often times they would ask me if i could look up information for them regarding their health.

i always had to tell them that privacy laws did not allow me to bypass the hospital's administration.

rebel8

Does the HIPAA Privacy Rule permit hospitals and other health care facilities to inform visitors or callers about a patient’s location in the facility and general condition? Answer: Yes...Even when, due to emergency treatment circumstances or incapacity, the patient has not been provided an opportunity to express his or her preference

Please see the above link for an explanation of the HIPAA laws and rules.

Anything outside of the above would fall into a separate part of the rule, like a healthcare POA, etc.

If OP is not in the US, disregard this information.

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What does Trump Win mean for JWs?

by anointed1 in

trump’s son-in-law buys watchtower hq, has big, beautiful plans for it.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/39/33/dtg-kushner-watchtower-deal-2016-08-12-bk.html.

rebel8

LOL, that was an entertaining article, from "making the office building great again" to "Watchtower is the name of the church's newsletter".

Refusing comment about whether they will remove the wt sign. LOL. Of course they will. They just don't want to let people see how great the new space is before they announce that. People have been known to get up in arms when "iconic" signs are removed.