so i've been a lurked on this site for about 15 years, thank goodness for dial up internet.... anyway my fade has been working off and on for that long but my whole family is still in including my kid.
at this point i have started dating a worldly person.
he is wiling to put onthe facade of being a witness so i don't have to lose my family.
I think you'd need several co-conspirators, one to make the fake documents and others to answer mail or phone contacts from the recipients.
Doing some workaround for this seems like something you'd watch on TV, like a retired spy or cop who secretly helps people in unconventional ways.
We need an xjw Equalizer!
i had to work with an elder in fs today.
there was no way out.. this elder is from africa somewhere, right off the boat.
how do they view children?.
What exactly should I have done?
I don't think I'm hijacking the thread because you are venting about a bad situation, which implies you're open to discussing it, and then you're directly stating, "What should I have done differently?"
Participating in the religion in any capacity, but especially preaching, encourages more innocents to join and existing members to stay.
This is the actual consequence no matter how "held hostage" you may feel.
But you are not an actual hostage.
Granted--just like many other adult situations, religious or not--all available choices have imperfect outcomes.
You're choosing yours. Choose wisely.
last month i got caught by my wife after a late night out with her (and some drinks).
i guess i am evil.. just wondering if anyone else has had this misfortune.. rub a dub.
Jesus H. Christ! It's not like using the toilet is a huge burden.
it is my birthday today.
given that i turn 60 today means that i graduated high school in 1975. time flies when you are having fun.. i remember the council i got about not worrying about a career because this wicked system was rapidly coming to a conclusion.
now i am 60 and most of those bastards are dead and the end is still in the future..
wow, congrats!
this is obviously a question for the older generation.
i'm really curious what it was like to be a witness in the 60's and 70's?.
was the society as strict as it is today?.
Disco, by the way, was completely vilified. Disco was not allowed in any way--you could not even see movies if they had disco soundtracks! In fact,
I was not allowed to have further contact with a longtime non-jw friend because she watched Saturday Night Fever and had a strobe light in her play room. (We were pre-teens.)
We were told constantly from the platform that disco was created by tribes as a demonized fertility ritual that promoted homosexuality. (Don't ask me how a fertility ritual promotes homosexuality. I have no clue!)
And WHY would you tell kids they will become demon possessed homosexuals if they listen to music...it's just wrong to treat children that way.
One of the elders quit his job in 1975, and became a pioneer in October (in spite of having to support his 13 children). He also trained himself to eat leaves for when the great tribulation arrives.
^WOW
because there are so many religions in the world and it is obvious that no matter what the truth is, a large population of people will be wrong about it.
we at one time believe we had the truth and 99% of the world population were in darkness, but i wonder about folks in other religions today.
speaking with a christian friend about this and he told me," that's for god to decide, i hope i'am serving god"...the sad thing about all of this if one die and still believe in his religion, he will never know he was in the wrong religion.
Many members of mainstream religions I've known don't think of it that way at all.
They basically think of it as a club they belong to and participate in at arm's length. They don't agree with everything the club does or says or its rules. They just smile and participate to the extent they want to and shrug their shoulders at the rest.
I do believe most members of cults, deep inside, question the veracity of the "absolute truth" they are being fed. This is because cults are fundamentally different than mainstream religions in that they consume the cultist's entire lifestyle.
this is obviously a question for the older generation.
i'm really curious what it was like to be a witness in the 60's and 70's?.
was the society as strict as it is today?.
I was a child in the 60s/70s so my perception is limited, but let me paint you a picture of what I remember it to be like.
Remember the FLDS compound on Big Love that lived by its own sick set of laws? Yeah. Like that.
YMMV if you have a penis.
i read a fantastic quote that applies to the way the society treats those who choose to leave...:.
"when a toxic person can no longer control you, they will try and control how others see you".
just wanted to share....
It seems people are quite brave hidden in anonymity, behind their keyboard. I imagine they'd be far more polite and reasonable face to face.
It's interesting you say that. When I left dubdumb, there was no Internet. There was a fad among the dubbies to write letters if you had trouble talking to a person. I got letters after leaving, which I refused to read. My mother asked me why and I told her it was not an assertive, grown up way to communicate. Also I didn't want to communicate with them, lol.
I remember one person writing me a note who was a sincerely nice person--the exception.
This other childish, self-centered douchebag bully was big into writing letters. I suspect she liked it because she felt she could always have the last word. I ripped hers up. Years later, I ran into her and told her off. (I am the opposite of the quote above--I am more polite if I can censor my thoughts by electronic means.)
I think this quote originates on a web article dealing with narcissists.
Probably and it's apropos. Narcissists are very emotionally immature and center their entire selves around themselves. It fits dubs very well.
i don't think this topic has been discussed before but yesterday i read something to the effect that trump wants a human mission to mars to be completed within his presidency.. with that being said, the watchtower teaches that what started on earth ends on earth, in other words, the fall of adam and eve would end with the passing of the 1,000 year millennial reign when christ destroys all his enemies, rebellious "perfect" humans, and the devil and his demons who are let out the abyss for a short while.
he then hands the kingdom back to his father.
an elder in my old congregation once told us during a public talk that he was an ardent astronomer but then referenced the scripture where it says, "the earth he has given to the sons of men" (psalms 115:16).
wt teachings, like all other religions, have their own ever-evolving fan fiction based loosely on the bible.
Whenever anything disproves the bible, a handful of fans wake up and the rest just reinvent their mythology.
This has already happened, time and again.
http://www.brownstoner.com/neighborhood/brooklyn-heights/jehovahs-witnesses-brooklyn-heights-tunnels/.
The jw rumor back in the day was the tunnels were kept to allow the Bethelites to not come in contact with Normals.
A cult with a commune that restricts outside contact.
