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Blood taking...is it a disfellowshipping offence or up to conscience.

by Gill in

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friends

can you tell me whether the taking of blood is a conscience matter or a disfellowshipping matter?.

i ask this because i have just come away from a heated discussion with my parents and they insist that taking blood or blood products has always been a matter of conscience and no one has ever been disfellowshipped for taking blood.

they say that a question was raised at the service meeting over the new blood card/documents whether taking blood fractions was breaking gods law and the presiding overseer j.h said that taking blood has always been a conscience matter and never was anyone disfellowshipped for it.. is this true?

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Blood taking...is it a disfellowshipping offence or up to conscience.

by Gill in

jw
friends

can you tell me whether the taking of blood is a conscience matter or a disfellowshipping matter?.

i ask this because i have just come away from a heated discussion with my parents and they insist that taking blood or blood products has always been a matter of conscience and no one has ever been disfellowshipped for taking blood.

they say that a question was raised at the service meeting over the new blood card/documents whether taking blood fractions was breaking gods law and the presiding overseer j.h said that taking blood has always been a conscience matter and never was anyone disfellowshipped for it.. is this true?

IP_SEC

Additionally the GB has turned God?s Word into the same type of licit code as the Torah and Talmud. God?s law in the Pentateuch was: ?Do no work on the Sabbath.? The Jews built a hedge around the law with their traditions. ?If you kill a gnat on the Sabbath you are guilty of hunting, if your shoes are put together with metal nails, you are guilty of carrying a load on the Sabbath.? God condemned the legalization of his law and this is just what the FDS has done. God?s law is to abstain from blood. But the Society has illegitimated the spirit of God?s Word by making loop holes legalizing God?s Word. With legalization comes a finer control over what is considered gross sin in their eyes. Fractions, Blood transfusions, hemodilution, blah blah blah are covered by the spirit of God?s word, not just a few scriptures that infer that blood shouldn?t be used to keep us alive. The conscience in this matter has been completely demolished because now if we spin blood around in a centrifuge and fractionalize it to the point that it is no longer legally blood, well then we can?t be DFd for it. Witnesses! WAKE UP! Can you be disfellowshipped for donating blood? Yep. Where do fractions come from? Donated blood. So let me get the GB?s position here. You can?t be disfellowshipped for benefiting from the gross sin (in the eyes of the GB) of blood donations, but you can be DFd for giving the blood by which another Christian wont be DFd for using? This makes no sense what so ever. My head is freekin swimming just thinking about this. This isn?t Jehovah?s thinking, no how no way. My comments arent intended to judge anyone who has taken or rejected blood, just to show the hypocrasy of the Society's position

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Blood taking...is it a disfellowshipping offence or up to conscience.

by Gill in

jw
friends

can you tell me whether the taking of blood is a conscience matter or a disfellowshipping matter?.

i ask this because i have just come away from a heated discussion with my parents and they insist that taking blood or blood products has always been a matter of conscience and no one has ever been disfellowshipped for taking blood.

they say that a question was raised at the service meeting over the new blood card/documents whether taking blood fractions was breaking gods law and the presiding overseer j.h said that taking blood has always been a conscience matter and never was anyone disfellowshipped for it.. is this true?

IP_SEC

One of my biggest problems with the blood issue is this inferred dichotomy between whole blood and the use of so called minor fractions. Both ARE conscience matters. It is a conscience matter whether I commit adultery or not. It is a conscience matter if I where a blue shirt on the platform or not. The GB infers that minor fractions are a conscience matter, but that the conscience is not involved in the decision to take a blood transfusion. The society?s view on this is utter Bull Crap, and weakens the role of the conscience.

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The Slow Death of the WTS (from the WT 15 Feb 2005)

by ezekiel3 in

i will defer the details of this gem to blondie when she sinks her teeth into the wt study articles scheduled for march 21-april 3. until then sample this:.

watchtower 15 feb 2005 "christians - be proud of who you are!

" (pg 12-16) .

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"God's Nation of 1000 Years Has Approached."

Hehe I remember that book! I was just a little kid at the time but I remember wondering if the 1000 years refered to was the length of time it would take to study it.

Blonde, you right. The COs have been badgering us. "Its a well known fact The flock will do a little worse than you and your family does, Now I know you brothers are tired blah blabh blah." Its our fault that the school and svsmeat was off 50% and service average is 6 & 7 hours per pub.

Two of us are elderly men, one is very sick, and one is an apostate that :) that tells the friends they are doing the best they can, dont sweat it. Through it all we get skipped by the CO alot, the GB hasnt sent us any help (thank goodness) and they keep telling us we arent doing it right, more more more with less less less.

Speaking of slow death, has anyone seen the numbers this year? HOly CRap, at least 3 years of sharp decline IT IS NEGITIVE GROWTH, IN OTHER WORDS GOING FORWARD IN REVERSE, just because the number hasnt slid to the minus end of the number line doesnt mean we are in positive territory. Jah is blessing us thats why we are growing, oh wait. Well its the last days you know, so we can expect things to slow down. REALLY??? Which is it? blessed are not? OHHH you mean you not only want to have your cake, but now you want to eat it too?

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Special announcment 20 march fore JW ?

by happy man in

someone informed me today that in two months time there will be a "special announcement" to all congregations.

everyone must be present at the kingdom hall for it.

my elders already know what it is, but won't tell me.

IP_SEC

Where are you guys hearing this stuff? It hasnt been announced at our meeting??? There is no special announcement pending for march 20? We just behiind the times? PO holding out on us? :)

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What would happen if an elder caught me reading a web site like this?

by inquirer in

:d ha ha ha ha .

i'll list all the "ranks" in the witness movement, and tell me what they would do?

elder .

IP_SEC

XQ,s you are joking right?An Elder,any elder would be duty bound to report someone who would visit a Site like this i should think?I presume your still "in"then?

Haha I'm not gonna report myself. I might be an idiot but I'm not stupid, as my old pappy use to say.

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CDrom Paranoia

by IP_SEC in

does anyone here have ?the know how?, or has anyone reverse engineered the wtl on cdrom?

i know it requires ie4 to work.

that could be to make the prog lighter on the front end, or perhaps it has some carnivore like features?

IP_SEC

Does anyone here have ?the know how?, or has anyone reverse engineered the WTL on CDROM? I know it requires IE4 to work. That could be to make the prog lighter on the front end, or perhaps it has some carnivore like features? They are going to start giving us a new version every year. Heh maybe I?m too paranoid, after all I do access the net through a proxy when I come to this site.

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What is a dub

by IP_SEC in

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i see the word dub used often in ref to jws, scuse my igornance but whats a dub?.

gracias

IP_SEC

Ha,

Sorry bout the double post. Thanks for the answer and the welcome. Been lurking this board for a while. Im a congo overbeer << *correct usage?* right now but I dont see how that can last much longer. My wife knows about my struggle, but is being loyal to me so far thankfully

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