Posts by holly

They talk about oral sex in the wt? ? Why? ? What business is it of theres? ? and what is wrong with it ? ? is it unbiblical or something? ? cant say ive come across that scripture!

.........and i thought the wt was boring. no wonder some poor jw woman cant stop climaxing

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OK, So I'm thinking about becoming a witness.

by MarkAnthony in

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i was raised roman catholic but stopped going about 25 years ago.

i was talking with someone i work with who is a jw and suggested i might look into it.

so here i am.............

Spend some time on here, ask any questions you want. i was studying with the jws. that stopped - yesterday - because i asked too many questions. Keep your mind open and look at things from all angles before you make any decisions.

Cant remember who made the comment about oral sex. was that a joke???? jws CAN have oral sex? dont tell me they talk about that kind of stuff in the watchtower. naaah, yer joking.............are you?

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Describle a JW in the fewest words possible

by JH in

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clean cut indoctrinated gullible follower

holly

disassociated from life

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

holly

ps - whats the 'borg'?

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

holly

Hey, glad you're all happy

Excellent feedback - very pleased to be part of this group some great points. i wish i could do that cut and paste thing you can all do. then i could comment on individual bits, instead of forgetting them all. one day i will learn. still trying to get myself a picture for my tag. got the picture, now cant get it to appear. Must be the computor !

Brought to mind a couple of other things that came up. I asked, so isnt it possible to find favour with Jehova, to be saved in his eyes bec your heart IS in the right condition, but not belong to JWs. She said 'no'. JWs is his organisation. there are two. the worlds and gods, and if you arent in one then you are in the other. So i said, John baptised people, and they didnt belong to Jw org. she said they did, that was the start of the org!! (without the label????????). i said so how come they were all leaping in the water to be baptised, surely they needed a very long study to understand the scriptures. she said in those days they did understand the scriptures fully, but in these days we are so far removed from the truth, we need the study. if they all knew the scriptures SO Well, how come the vast majority rejected Jesus, who he was, and put him to death, IF the scriptures were that clear to all these people who were jumping in the river (not kh) to get baptised, BEFORE they had had a study .

I also said that as i wasnt going to become a jw, did it mean she had to 'df' me. no of course not, i was told, but she wouldnt be able to socialize. so you are not allowed to socialize with me? Its not encouraged - bad association. Bad association????? im a bad association? Im the nicest person i know. im not rude to anyone, I STILL believe, i STILL want to do gods will, and i see that by living by the bibles morals, life actually does work quite well, and IM a BAD ASSOCIATION. its for the protection of the org. protection of the org, or protection of you, i did ask that very nicely. One and the same thing i was told.

Losing battle i think. sure she thinks the same. ironically, if she hadnt mentioned apostates, i wouldnt be on here, bec i wouldnt have gone looking. she said, dont look at any website that isnt the official website. what are these unofficial websites i thought? seed was sown, HERE I AM, SAVED !

Even though none of it makes sense anymore, and they dont want me anyway, sniff, my brain keeps telling me Im a lost cause now in Gods eyes (boy they did a good job on me).

but your everflowing wisdom, i know is right. better i learn before i marry the org.

For now, over and out

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

holly

Fairchild - yes, curiousity is a strange thing - pandoras box, adams apple (or whatever other fruit it was, as the bible doesnt specify). Thats exactly what happened, got more and more drawn to have a wee lookie..........................

Glad you said Jehova still wants me. thats been my biggest worry, rejecting his organisation (at least according to them). in the end, they rejected me ironically.

SO GOOD TO BE ON HERE THOUGH WITH ALL YOU FINE PEOPLE

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

holly

thank you people. the worst of it is. id actually got to know this woman quiet well. id been away with her and some of her friends and family. id gotten to know a lot of people i actually liked. and a lot of the friends i had before i stopped mixing with. and now she doesnt want to see me. she was still nice to me today, even though i could see i was offending her deeply. i did that as gently as possible. even offered to show her this site. might as well of offered to call up demons...........................oh well...............unitarians............dont know what they are but will take a look Holly xx

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

holly

Long story. but here's the short version.

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do ANYTHING to knock jws. proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures). also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.

i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits. i said what about all these terrified kids id heard about then, who were really scared about 1975. she said its rubbish, you are probably all liars. i said why would a group of people with common experience waste all these hours lying to each other. maybe to the outside world, that could be a feasible arguement, but to each other. she repeated, saying apostates will do anything to cause trouble.

i asked what was wrong with looking at the evidence 'against' jws, that if i was to become a mooney, wouldnt she advice me to look at it from all angles? she said she would, bec the moonies wasnt based on true translation of the bible.

i asked about df'ing people. she said it was scriptural to keep congregation clean (showed scriptures) and also said you werent even to give greeting to such people (showed scriptures). i said what about those that having been df'd, returned and were ignored. i said it was callous and i know jesus would not ignore them. she said it is for the protection of the congregation. long discussion. wouldt budge.

i asked how jws were able to interpret difficult scripture. she showed me something in Daniel, saying it would be revealed in the last days.

i asked about 144000 and why so many still alive, all over 90, it wasnt feasible. she said some had been replaced. if someone falls away, some are replaced, so may be younger.

i said it wasnt fair that if you take two wordly people and one dies before armageddon, he could be resurected. but the unlucky bugger who survives it through, will just die. i said i knew loads of people in the church, whose only desire was to serve god. were they gonna die? yes, im afraid so, i was told. everyone will have ample chance, before the end, to become a jw.

i asked why god didnt just show himself. she said people asked jesus the same thing and he said 'if youve seen the son youve seen the father'. i told her i havent seen the son either. why does he have to be so secretive. if he showed himself, then we could all make a choice. she said we couldnt see god and live. so i said well why doesnt he just prove he exists. she said he had done that in the past and people still dont want to know and turn away from him. i said, well at least they had the chance, weve got nothing, yet we are going to go down at armageddon. we are living apparently in the last days where sin is rife, no proof of god, yet he will kill us at armaggedon. Fraid so.

was told to research all i wanted and when i was ready, i could resume study, if i got over my doubt.

bit dumbfounded at that. 'so you giving up studying me'. 'yes' you need to find the answers to all your questions. ive told you as much as i can and if you still have so many questions, it obvious your heart isnt in the right condition at this present time'

in a nut shell DUMPED.

someone please say something nice. im feeling all lost..............

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Ooops..Oh Harry..Not A Good Move.

by Englishman in

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prince harry, number 2 in-line to the the throne, has dropped a bit of a bollock: .

probably not the best way for a prince to go to a fancy dress party... good grief!

is he smoking a ciggie too?

holly

THE SUN - positively one of the most tacky newspapers. a true story - probably a rare achievement for the SUN.

Poor little Harry. got to feel sorry for the kid. cant be the most natural enviroment to be raised in - everyone telling him what he should and shouldnt be doing - many of you could probably identify with that.

and the poor kid lost his mother and now has aunty camilla and charlie to put up with, and blue eyed boy Wills. Must be terrible to be young and make a stupid mistake, then the whole world is on your back.