Not only does Jehovah talk to Tyre after Ezekiels propecy of Tyre "Never being rebuilt", in verse 21 He says "but you will no more be found to time indefinite". Which also, by FACT, is not true.
13 “‘And I will cause the turmoil of your singing to cease, and the very sound of your harps will be heard no more. 14 And I will make you a shining, bare surface of a crag. A drying yard for dragnets is what you will become. Never will you be rebuilt; for I myself, Jehovah, have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
15 “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said to Tyre, ‘At the sound of your downfall, when the fatally wounded one groans, when there is a killing with slaughter in the midst of you, will not the islands rock? 16 And down from their thrones all the chieftains of the sea will certainly come and remove their sleeveless coats, and they will strip off their own embroidered garments. They will put on trembling spells. Upon the earth they will sit down, and they will certainly tremble every moment and stare in amazement at you. 17 And they must raise up over you a dirge and say to you:
“‘“How you have perished, that used to be inhabited from the seas, O praised city, who became a strong one in the sea, she and those inhabiting her, those who gave their terror to all the inhabitants [of the earth]! 18 Now the islands will tremble in the day of your downfall. And the islands that are in the sea must be disturbed owing to your going out.”’
19 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘When I make you a devastated city, like the cities that are actually not inhabited, when [I] bring up over you the watery deep, and the vast waters will have covered you, 20 I will also bring you down with those going down into the pit to the people of long ago, and I will cause you to dwell in the lowest land, like places devastated for a long time, with those going down into the pit, in order that you may not be inhabited; and I will put decoration in the land of those alive.
21 “‘Sudden terrors are what I shall make you, and you will not be; and you will be sought for, but you will no more be found to time indefinite,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”
stevenyc
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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Thirdwitness, I think you will find that Jehovah talks to Tyre from verse 15. steve
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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Thirdwitness,
Please, review the quoted New World Testement scriptures I posted and show me that Jehovah didn't say that to Ezekiel.
steve
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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thirdwitness,
It appears our posts crossed somewhat.
So, am I correct it saying that you believe that what Ezekiel wrote down was not what Jehovah meant him to write down, and so Jehovah had two later prophets clarify the issue?
steve
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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All the questions being asked about what does Egypt include and who are the celebrated scholars are all attempts at sidetracking the issue at hand. The fact is that 587 proponents are left with this one point: The 40 year desolation of Egypt is not literal (although you have never scriptually shown us what it means symbolically) because I will not admit that JWs and 607 are correct. Since that is all you have left and everyone can see how foolish that statement is what must you do? Sidetrack sidetrack sidetrack. Confuse the issue. Ignore it. Because you simply have no answer. What use is there continuing the discussion when you can't overcome the very first thing I presented when AlanF challenged me to present just one point that proves 607?
Thirdwitness, this is not a sidetrack, please review Ezekiel 26 that I posted above, and explain why he didn't say what he said. Your entire basis for 40 years is from a prophet who said something that cannot be corroborated. And, when we look at his track record and find he has made enthusiastic mistakes before. If you can honestly copy in a post, that scripture I posted above and say it isn't so, then I will understand you methodology and be able to continue with the rest of you line of reasoning. Trust me, I do not take you the fool. You have applied a lot of time and energy into your research and I am happy to discuss it with you. No matter where it may lead. I also have to admit that I doubt you would give me such a courtesy. steve
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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Thirdwitness,
And to answer Steve's question: Did Ezekiel say that Neb would destroy Tyre to the point of it never being rebuilt? No, he did not. Isaiah and Zechariah as I pointed out both confirm that Ezekiel did not say that at all. If he did say it he would have been contradicting both of them and Jehovah would be a liar which is impossible. Do you think Jehovah is a liar?
this is taken from the NWT: Ezekiel 26;7 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am bringing against Tyre Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon from the north, a king of kings, with horses and war chariots and cavalrymen and a congregation, even a multitudinous people. 8 Your dependent towns in the field he will kill even with the sword, and he must make against you a siege wall and throw up against you a siege rampart and raise up against you a large shield; 9 and the strike of his attack engine he will direct against your walls, and your towers he will pull down, with his swords. 10 Owing to the heaving mass of his horses their dust will cover you. Owing to the sound of cavalryman and wheel and war chariot your walls will rock, when he comes in through your gates, as in the cases of entering into a city opened by breaches. 11 With the hoofs of his horses he will trample down all your streets. Your people he will kill even with the sword, and to the earth your own pillars of strength will go down. 12 And they will certainly spoil your resources and plunder your sales goods, and tear down your walls, and your desirable houses they will pull down. And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water.’ 13 “‘And I will cause the turmoil of your singing to cease, and the very sound of your harps will be heard no more. 14 And I will make you a shining, bare surface of a crag. A drying yard for dragnets is what you will become. Never will you be rebuilt; for I myself, Jehovah, have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
I think you might be changing what is written, and you know what God thinks of that.
steve
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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?
by listen innot a society apologist!!
just wanting to know what you all think.
does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.
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thirdwitness,
So, yes, I, too have been affected by child molesting. But it is not the fault of the WTS nor is it the fault of ones who defend the child abuse policy of JWs. Put the blame where it belongs, with the molester. And handle your responsibility and report persons who are molesting or who you think or molesting and let the police take care of it if there is a case. All JWs are instructed by the WTS to do just that.
You are absolutely correct in the ultimate blame stands with the molester. There are some here who have been personally molested, and then treated very poorly by the society which in turn leads to heated debates. And, when defenders of the child abuse policy make it to these debates, well, they do become the focal point for attack.
I personally do not hold you responsible for any such decrepit actions, however, I think your attitude to the society is a little blinked to say the least. It is absolutely not the policy for Elders to report the accusations of a potential victim to the police. Please show me where the society directs the Elders to call the police for any molestation accusations, because if so their policy has changed. I ask this because as a victim myself, it would help me knowing that children are at least now a little safer.
steve
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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stevenyc
Also, regarding Tyre, from the Daily Telegraphs reveiw of the current confilct:
"Town Hall officials estimate that more than two thirds of Tyre's population of 270,000 have fled the city, leaving it more deserted than a rundown holiday resort in midwinter. "
steve
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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stevenyc
stevenyc
Better still go there as a tourist and see with your own eyes the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy that ancient city of Tyre not the modern city is just a place of fishing and museums, a reminder that God's Word does not lie.
scholar JW
So, you admit that it is still inhabited then. Thank you. Oh, its also the third largest city in Lebanon. steve
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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
by Swamboozled injust got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
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stevenyc
Nuts I am not for it a simple fact that when you current Neo-Babylonian chronology with Bible chronology researched by celebrated WT scholars, developed by the FDS and published by the Watch Tower Society, there is a small gap of twenty years. This means that NB data does not coincide with the comtemporary history of the Late Judean history. In other words for that same period the history of the Neo-Babyloians does not match up with the history of the Jews as recorded in the Historical and Prophetic books of the OT.
Thank you for stating that the thousands of historical records do not agree with you.
It is not a matter of one proving this or the other disproving this for neither source or witness was written for the purposes of proving current debates about chronology. Each side, the secular Babylonian records and the sacred Scripures of prophecy and History were written for different purposes. Therefore, the modern reader must consult all of the evidence and take careful note of the reasons, agendas and purposes of both sacred and profane history. When it comes to reconstructing a chronology of the OT then one would logically assign primacy to the OT data and if one wishes to construct a chronology of the Babylonians then one assign primacy to that data respectively. When this is done such parallel data shows a twenty year difference. Therefore, the sincere must make a choice as to whiuch one is more authorative than the other and I believe as the Bible is inspired of God then that data must take precedence over the pagan Babylonian material.
Oh my. You have finally admitted that the words in the bible were not written to make your 1914 date. Wow, you should take a seat, that was a very big step for you.
The question of the existence of the 'celebrated' ones is not for your knowledge or for others and your opinion on this matter is of little merit.
You just made yourself appear very stupid regarding the CELEBRATED ones to whom cannot be celebrated.As regards to disputes on chronology wel it is the apostates who create such disputes as they serve the Devil's purpose in blinding the minds of people to the reality of the Kingdom established Heavenly in 1914 and discerned with the 'eyes of faith'.
The only dispute of any regard we are having is your made up 1914 date calculation. This indeed is the devils work. There are a bunch of them a stones throw from where I am typing.
steve