Blondie, it stormy here at the moment, if it clears up I'll pop out and take some pictures for you. There's also a building with three watchtowers, in gold, arainged in a kind of cross. Oh, and if you ever want to talk to a jdub about idoletry, most buildings have a huge WATCHTOWER on them.
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FLUER DE LIS WALLPAPER = TRINITY VISITING CO SUGGESTS IT MUST GO
by ZazuWitts ini can count on one hand the number of times i have spoken to larc's sister since his death last fall... she will briefly chat if i make the effort to phone her - but doesn't call me.
yesterday, i did phone her - to tell of her of some family news that i felt she should know.
she told me they had spent the labor day removing wallpaper, that was already in the home when they moved in.
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FLUER DE LIS WALLPAPER = TRINITY VISITING CO SUGGESTS IT MUST GO
by ZazuWitts ini can count on one hand the number of times i have spoken to larc's sister since his death last fall... she will briefly chat if i make the effort to phone her - but doesn't call me.
yesterday, i did phone her - to tell of her of some family news that i felt she should know.
she told me they had spent the labor day removing wallpaper, that was already in the home when they moved in.
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zazuwitts: and he informed her that the fluer de lis pattern represented the trinity
You may be interested to know that one of the watchtower buildings in Brooklyn is adorned with the flued-de-lis.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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thirdwitness: Can anyone show that mene mene tekel upharsin does not equal 2520 gerahs.
Why not ask Daniel, he alredy gave its meaning, in full, to king Neb?
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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thirdwitnoid,
Come on now, say it:
"It was OK for the watchtower to associate with the united nations through the DPI to borrow books."
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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thirdwitless: I will give another example of association with the UN that would not be wrong. The UN court system. If the WTS needed to fill out an application to become associated with that branch of the UN in order to have a hearing to plead for relief for brothers in persecuted lands would this be wrong?
Do they?
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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thirdwitnoid, your realy losing it now.
:And by the way if you want to split hairs then you contradict yourself. You say that the DPI is part of the UN. Then you say the WTS joined the DPI which is part of the UN but then you admit that being an associate of the UN/DPI does not mean you became part of the UN. But if the DPI is part of the UN and if the WTS joined the DPI then they became part of the UN and yet the UN says that NGOs do not become part of the UN. So is the UN lying when it says that NGOs are not incorporated into the UN.
Let me use some BIG words to help you understand.
The DPI is a department under the Secretariat in the United Nations. The Watchtower Society established a FORMAL and VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION with the United Nations through the department of information. If you refute this then your purpose here is understood.
For the UPTEETH time, ONLY NATIONS JOIN the United Nations. You have said the Watchtower FORMALLY ASSOCIATED with the United Nations.
They DID NOT NEED to do this. It was a VOLUTARY decision. And they were very aware of their responsibilities to REMAIN ASSOCIATED as shown by the Watchtower Society submitting in the late 90's evidence of their United Nations dissemination work TO the a United Nations department. However, this is debating(sic) how deep they ASSOCIATED with the image of the beast. The fact that they, for no important reason, VOLUTARALY, and FORMALLY ASSOCIATED with the United Nations was wrong.
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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And the image (the UN) is not a government.
Stop trying to confuse the issue. You have already stated that the Watchtower Society Voluntarily and Formally associated itself with the Beast to borrow a book.
That is a SIN.
EVERYTHING else is an examination into how deep that SIN went.
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Why is the WTBTS so against mental health professional treatment?
by Gill infollowing on from sandy's thread on her brother's pt, i wondered exactly why does the wtbts take such an opposing stand to professional mental health treatment?
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May gut feeling is that to be seen as having to have 'worldly' people sort out a JW's mental and emotional health would be seen by some as a failure to the 'spiritual paradise' that supposedly exists in the kingdom halls.
It's a shame because most bible believers of church goers I've met find peace and stability in their faith which can be a helpful supplement to their therapy.
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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AuldSoul:stevenyc,He seems to have fooled himself into believing that the intentions behind the membership is what determines whether or not membership to secular organizations is okay. But the objectives of the secular organization is what the OM/OD book says would determine the appropriateness of the membership, not the intentions or objectives of the person joining.Well, I think he IS fully aware of the societies position. This is not and was never 'a conscience matter' to which would allow for 'intentions' and 'bible principle' to help determine whether formal association with the beast could be acceptable. The problem he has is his brain is attempting to consolidate two diametric positions of fact. 1) That this is Gods organization who cannot and would not associate with the head of satan's world governments. And, 2) That they did.
We've both been there. And most of us in this thread have shown, beyond ANY doubt that they associated with the beast, including thirdwitness. The rest is up to his brain. Which way it will fall.
AuldSoul: thirdwitness seems very confused on the Society's position, but if he would just answer those six question he said he would answer all his confusion would go away. Just between us, I think he prefers confusion because it allows him to continue pretending they did nothing wrong. What do you think?
He already knows the answer to your questions. He has to learn personal honesty. He doesn't have to be honest to me, you, or the Watchtower, he has to start with himself. I believe what we are seeing here in this thread is a written demonstration of cognitive dissonance. What's interesting is that this will help many of the lurkers understand that at times of their intellectual confusion, between what is and what was taught, they are not alone, or the first, or the last to experience it. Their brain wiring of reality was scrambled by the Watchtower, this is just part of the process of putting things back in order.
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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It's official folks, thirdwitnoid see's nothing wrong in FORMALY asociating with the United Nations.
HE IS AN APOSTATE.
Let the record stand.
steve