ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
dido, you don't need a degree in anything to understand what they mean by evolution. Its very simple.
You actually believe in evolution. The statements you have made are FOR evolution. MICRO-evolution.
What you don't believe is MACRO-evolution.
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
diso:
steveyc- they are all key phrases, so what point are you making? That i need to know all these terms to understand what, the arguments are for evolution?
I wasn't making any point. I was trying to help you partake in this discussion by teaching you what the other posters were talking about so 1) you don't come across as the unenlightened fool that some have suggested, and 2) if we were going to have a discussion, we would both know what each other was talking about.
That's all.
But, I get the feeling that this is a waist of time, so I will cease.
Take care.
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
dido, please read my post again. I am not making a case for or against evolution, I am trying to explain the words used so that we are on the same page.
The first key phrases to understand if you want to have a discussion on evolution and creation are:
micro-evolution
macro-evolution
identifying changes
common ancestry
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
LT, Panentheist indeed. You know there is something about that, that I like. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe I'll start a new thread.
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
Dido:
stevenyc- i would want to see an example of evolution in either animals or humans, bacteria doesn`t do it for me, that is just caused by man`s imperfection, take aids for example.Okay, as you new to the subject, (I am not trying to be condescending here, but I am assuming that you may not know some of the words used by evolutionists), I will explain a couple of words and ideas so we are on the same page before we talk. I will not make a case for either creation of evolution here, I am just trying to help you understand what people are talking about. Evolution is all about things changing. Or more importantly, IDENTIFYING changes that happen in all forms of life. When people discuss these changes they are either talking about identifying changes within a type of animal (called micro-evolution) or identifying changes that are common across different types animals (called macro-evolution). An example of Micro-evolution would be the people at the time of Henry VIII were much shorter than us today. An example of Macro-evolution would be some animals have lungs while others use gills. Most creationist (including the watchtower and you) believe in micro-evolution. So, to recap in layman's terms: - All types of animals have identifiable changes between what they are now, and what their great, great, great,.....,great grandparents were - micro-evolution is the seeing the change between an animal now and an ancestor of the same type of animal - macro-evolution is seeing what is COMMON between different types of animals now and ONLY ONE type of animal in the past. (This animal is what they call the 'common ancestry'). Let me know if you understand my explanation. If you are not sure about anything I will try to explain the words some more. Please remember, I am only trying to help you understand the terminology so we can talk later. steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
Dido, absolutely correct. All evidence has to be honestly reviewed and tested before anyone can make a judgment on the validity of the evidence. This is why I ask you: what would you need to see as evidence to convince you that evolution may have merit?
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
LT, you sound like a sufist. It wouldn't surprise me if you were hiding camels somewhere on that little island of yours.
Am I correct in assuming that you see creation as valid in that, by fact, life is here and something (be it an entity of intelligence or the randomness of the universe) created it.
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
LT: Creation and Evolution are not mutually exclusive theories. They can exist happily together in the same brain
If strong evidence was discovred that the universe started without any external assistence, would that change your opinion about the happy co-existance?
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
Dido, you also asked for evidence of evolution today. Some have already provided some evidence for you, but nothing so far has satisfied your curiosity.
So, can I ask, what type of evidence are you looking for? What evidence would you need to see to satisfy you that there is some merit to evolution?
steve
ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
Dido:
Abaddon- round 3 here we go again! Right, let`s get this straight, i know the basis of evolution and i choose to believe in creation over it. Nothing is proven. Now when it comes to bacteria, it`s the body that has built up resistence to the antibiotics not the bacteria, i know as i am allergic to most of them, but i still get bacteria in my body, but have to try different drugs as the body becomes immune to the drugs! So sorry, you just have to learn more! I suggest you read the book of genesis and find out more about creation, rather than trying to browbeat me into reading about evolution theories! I`m willing to talk but not to be bullied into what other people want me to believe, i had enough of that in the wts. Jog on.I can see how you are confused about the developmental change relating to bacteria and antibiotics. It's actually the bacteria which mutates (changes) not the recipient of the antibiotic. Here is a link to the USA Food and Drug Association which explains, in layman terms, why sum bugs (bacteria) becomes resistant to antibiotics. steve Edited: oops, forgot the link. Here you go: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_antibio.html
