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stevenyc
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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D Dog: So, you don't know either?
Why this kind of response? You asked a question, to which I am trying to explain to you. In order for me to explain it, I need to know what your understanding of the subject is.
That's All !
I am not, nor have I ever on this thread tried to trick or deceive people. I am not playing games. If you asked a question with honesty, please give me the same courtesy, otherwise don't ask me, and I will concentrate on others who are asking questions to find answers.
steve
PS, if I have misinterpreted your motives, then I apologize.
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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D Dog: I'm glad you asked. That's not an easy question to answer!
That's why I asked it. What do YOU think is the difference between a species and a variety?
steve
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The Emperors new clothes!
by stevenyc inhurray for me !!.
steve (of the shameful request of acknolegment class).
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Hurray for me !!
steve (of the shameful request of acknolegment class)
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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D Dog: And what makes this a new species and not a new variety
How would you define the difference between species and variety? I ask, not as confrountation, but I need understand your definition before I can respond.
steve
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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D Dog: You mean they hadn't been observed anywhere on the planet.
No. I mean they didn't exist on the planet. The were observed evolving.
steve
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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LT: Sure that's a simplistic view, but it's a simplistic account, not a scientific reference manual
Absolutely. I think the account of Genesis is a very intelligent account if you compare it to its peers. When I stayed with some Indians in the amazon they shared their creation account with me. They believe that all life came from one huge tree. That tree fall leaving behind a huge stump and creating the surface of the earth covered in tropical jungle. This makes perfect sense to people who's experience is only jungle. The stump, which is observable, is a tepuri.
My point is, from an Anthropological view, the account is interesting as part of the evolution (maybe the wrong word to use!) of western awareness.
steve
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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stevenyc
When Seeing is Believing:
Some people say that there has never been an 'observed' speciation. That is, within our time, a species has evolved into a completely separate species of plant or animal.
But, here's the shock...THERE HAS!
It's the Tragopogons. Tragopogon you ask, what's that. Well, that or they are the plants that after flowering turn into those puffy white seed-let plumes that you blow into the wind releasing all the seeds carried by their own little parachutes. In Washington two NEW species evolved about 50 years ago. They did this through naturally occurring hybridization between the newly derived tetraploid species. Go back 100 years ago, and this species did not exist on the planet.
steve
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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Here is the full creation account in Genesis. It posses a few questions, which I have not been able to answer. I wonder if any creationist can answer them?
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was [ a ] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
The Earth first existed before the sun and moon were created, it was one great ocean with no atmosphere.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
Day time was created, before the sun was created
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
God then creates the sky, which is not the atmosphere. The sky is is the bit BETWEEN the ocean covered Earth and the clouds ABOVE it.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
God then creates land.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
God then produced plants, ONLY on LAND.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
God then creates the stars, IN THE EXPANCE. That is, the bit BETWEEN the oceans, and the clouds.
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
God then creates the birds, and the fish.
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Then God creates the other animals.
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [ b ] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.The God creates man and woman.
Can anyone not see a problem with this account?
steve
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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Dido: stevenyc - ignore
Translates as:
stevenyc, oh bugger, I can't answer that question. Maybe I need to do some research? Na, that would be BORING.
steve