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  Do you have to get baptized to be saved?

  by JH in

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  1 peter 3:21.

  21that which corresponds to this is also now saving you, namely, baptism, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the request made to god for a good conscience,) through the resurrection of jesus christ.. the witnesses say that you have to get baptized to be saved, but what will happen to jw children that aren't baptized or jw teens that didn't get baptized yet?.

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  Romans 10:
  
  5Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them."[a] 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'[b]" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7"or 'Who will descend into the deep?'[c]" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"[d] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[e] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
  
  No baptism mentioned for salvation here.
  
  steve
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  Do you have to get baptized to be saved?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1 peter 3:21.

  21that which corresponds to this is also now saving you, namely, baptism, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the request made to god for a good conscience,) through the resurrection of jesus christ.. the witnesses say that you have to get baptized to be saved, but what will happen to jw children that aren't baptized or jw teens that didn't get baptized yet?.

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  AuldSoul, thanks for your reply. I have an other question for you if you will. Would all those baptized by John the Baptist have to be re-baptisted to be a Christian?
  
  steve
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  Do you have to get baptized to be saved?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1 peter 3:21.

  21that which corresponds to this is also now saving you, namely, baptism, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the request made to god for a good conscience,) through the resurrection of jesus christ.. the witnesses say that you have to get baptized to be saved, but what will happen to jw children that aren't baptized or jw teens that didn't get baptized yet?.

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  AuldSoul: am not so sure this is what it started out to be. It seems to me this is a perversion that entered later. It seems initially to have been an identification of commitment to a way of life, not to a group.
  
  Yeah, 'way of life' is probably closer. But, would it be possible to baptize oneself, in private? The initial usage of baptism was repentance. We know that salvation is gained through faith alone, Acts and Romans demonstrates this. Also the same for the gift of Holy Spirit. But, baptism was also a requirement for early christians. Why, other than identification?
  
  steve
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  Do you have to get baptized to be saved?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1 peter 3:21.

  21that which corresponds to this is also now saving you, namely, baptism, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the request made to god for a good conscience,) through the resurrection of jesus christ.. the witnesses say that you have to get baptized to be saved, but what will happen to jw children that aren't baptized or jw teens that didn't get baptized yet?.

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  Qcmbr, the first instance recorded is of John the baptist. It also explains the perpose of baptism :
  
  Matt 3:1In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea 2and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." 3This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah:
  "A voice of one calling in the desert,
  'Prepare the way for the Lord,
  make straight paths for him.' "[a]
  4John's clothes were made of camel's hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist. His food was locusts and wild honey. 5People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan. 6Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
  
  It was a form of repentance from sin. So, did Jesus have to wash away his sin?
  
  steve
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  Do you have to get baptized to be saved?

  by JH in

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  2. beliefs

  1 peter 3:21.

  21that which corresponds to this is also now saving you, namely, baptism, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the request made to god for a good conscience,) through the resurrection of jesus christ.. the witnesses say that you have to get baptized to be saved, but what will happen to jw children that aren't baptized or jw teens that didn't get baptized yet?.

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  Acts 16:25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose. 27The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. 28But Paul shouted, "Don't harm yourself! We are all here!"
  
  29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
  
  31They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.
  
  
  "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." Not "Believe in the Lord Jesus, AND GET BAPTIZED, and you will be saved—you and your household,"
  
  steve
  
  Sorry about the capitals, I'm not shouting, but this sight doesn't support mac's for highlighting and alike.
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  Do you have to get baptized to be saved?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1 peter 3:21.

  21that which corresponds to this is also now saving you, namely, baptism, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the request made to god for a good conscience,) through the resurrection of jesus christ.. the witnesses say that you have to get baptized to be saved, but what will happen to jw children that aren't baptized or jw teens that didn't get baptized yet?.

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  Qcmbr, you missed out the important part:
  
  Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
  
  [ So the Gentiles ALREADY had been granted the gift BEFORE any baptism. ]
  
  Then Peter said, 47"Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have." 48So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
  
  
  The Symbol is akin to circumcision. It is an identification of commitment to a group. If baptism was important to attain salvation Jesus would have done it. So, how many times did Jesus baptize people?
  
  steve
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  'THE DAWKINS DELUSION' New book responds to Dawkins 'The God Delusion'

  by nicolaou in

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  in the wake of richard dawkins bestseller 'the god delusion' (which i and many others here have read) there has been a good deal of rebuttal from the 'faith' community.

  now a new book is out published by alister mcgrath, professor of theology at oxford university.

  it is entitled 'the dawkins delusion'.. has anyone read it or ordered it yet?

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  Tetra, Dawkins sometimes reminds me of the early feminists who worked out that a small voice in the middle of a throng has to shout to be noticed. And, sometimes you need a big ego to carry an unwanted message continually.
  
  The main difficulty with the arguments on both sides is their juxtaposition. Science uses testable scenarios to determine the worth of an argument, while religion uses the ancient teachings
  of mystics as preconditioned fact. I'm not arguing for either here, you know, whatever rocks your boat. But, you can't bring them both to the same table and expect an answer.
  
  
  
  
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  Do you have to get baptized to be saved?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1 peter 3:21.

  21that which corresponds to this is also now saving you, namely, baptism, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the request made to god for a good conscience,) through the resurrection of jesus christ.. the witnesses say that you have to get baptized to be saved, but what will happen to jw children that aren't baptized or jw teens that didn't get baptized yet?.

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  Was Lazarus baptized before he was saved? Or the many that were raised from the dead?
  
  steve
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  If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?

  by unbaptized in

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  if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?

  if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.

  please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.

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  unbaptized, I'm a little confused with your request. Have I understood you?
  
  1) Who is God?
  
  2) Who are the followers of God?
  
  3) What is the origin of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
  
  4) I have no idea what biblical 'facts' you are asking for.
  
  
  Maybe its just me, but, could you expand on your question, and we'll see what we can do for you.
  
  steve
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  Sexual Predators/Opportunists on JWD

  by onacruse in

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  2. friends

  do you think there are any?.

  how would you "know" them if they were predators?.

  if you were suspicious, what would you do to protect yourself?.

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  Does anyone think that if a predator was exposed here, the mod's would require TWO witnesses before they removed the account?
  
  Sexual predators are going to involve themselves in easy access community's. Especially community's of trust, and communities of need. This is why they enjoy religious groups. It's what the group, as a whole, does to protect itself that counts. Read that sentence again, it's important. It's going to be the reason why the watchtower is going to loose many publishers.
  
  Here, at JWD, anytime someone posts a question such as the one in the thread, you'll see good advice and recommendation. Such as: don't post personal information; if you are going to meet people, do it at an apostafest; if your not sure about a poster, ask other posters what they feel about this other person - have they met them?
  
  Our internet persona become your imaginary. Predator's exploit this.
  
  One thing that keeps me at this forum is the majority of posters are honest, safe, and above all, very protective.
  
  steve - always be safe.