Posts by stevenyc

the fact is, i've been living a lie, i'm gay \ a lesbian \ only 14. i'm sorry - i got hit on the head this morning and i really have no idea who you are.

and so you see, technically i'm a eunuch.

i really like your sister.

stevenyc

Do I have crabs? Jeez girl, I'm a walking menagerie!

steve

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Deny this! Brooklyn! I dare you

by stevenyc in

i'm to angry right now to write a complete synopsis on the following article from the watchtower.

it regarding child molestation and repressed memories.

i'll put in one quote, and leave this rest for you to read at your leasure.. ps, probably worth copying this because i would be surprised if they will leave it up much longer!.

This mentality come straight out of a camel hurders tent. How likley is it that two seperate people approach the elders with, as they say, "memories" of child abuse by the same person? Just a coincidence? Yep, if there is no other supporting evidence, then the alledged abuser is to be treated as innocent.

This article is not talking about children that inform the elders. Its talking about adults that remember a person in the congregation abusing them as children. If two or more adults, seperatly notify the elders that 'brother upstanding' molested them as kids, the elders will perform a 'hands off' approach UNLESS the congregation becomes aware. If the congregation becomes aware, then: if no further evidence is obtained, and the molester denies his actions, they will say he is innocent, and the matter to be left in Jehovah's hands.

This is an interesting qualification of the 'two witness' rule. To have two seperate witnesses of abuse is not good enough for reproval. It must be two witnesses PER action of molestation.

With the rules specified in this watchtower, can anyone explaine to me how any Jehovah's Witness can defend the Watchtower's policy on reporting child molesters.

Here is the rule stated:

If no other supporting invidence of child molestation arises, even given that multiple incidents of child molestation have been reported seperatly to the body of elders, then no further action is to be taken. The accused is to remain in good light in the congregation.

steve

104

Deny this! Brooklyn! I dare you

by stevenyc in

i'm to angry right now to write a complete synopsis on the following article from the watchtower.

it regarding child molestation and repressed memories.

i'll put in one quote, and leave this rest for you to read at your leasure.. ps, probably worth copying this because i would be surprised if they will leave it up much longer!.

stevenyc

The final statement is a GEM !!!!!

It may also be necessary for the step outlined in this paragraph to be taken if the matter has become common knowledge in the congregation

steve

104

Deny this! Brooklyn! I dare you

by stevenyc in

i'm to angry right now to write a complete synopsis on the following article from the watchtower.

it regarding child molestation and repressed memories.

i'll put in one quote, and leave this rest for you to read at your leasure.. ps, probably worth copying this because i would be surprised if they will leave it up much longer!.

stevenyc

I'm to angry right now to write a complete synopsis on the following article from the watchtower. It regarding child molestation and repressed memories. I'll put in one quote, and leave this rest for you to read at your leasure.

ps, probably worth copying this because I would be surprised if they will leave it up much longer!

steve

What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? # Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.
If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way. And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) Even if more than one person "remembers" abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such "memories" are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.
What if the one accused—though denying the wrongdoing—is really guilty? Does he "get away with it," as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's hands. "The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men their sins also become manifest later." (1 Timothy 5:24; Romans 12:19; 14:12) The book of Proverbs says: "The expectation of the righteous ones is a rejoicing, but the very hope of the wicked ones will perish." "When a wicked man dies, his hope perishes." (Proverbs 10:28; 11:7) Ultimately, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus render everlasting judgment in justice.—1 Corinthians 4:5 .

steve

http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1995/11/1a/article_01.htm