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Hello, I need a few JW views on a couple of bible verses. Thanks!

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hello jw forums,.

after careful study i was curious to hear the views & interpretations of a bible verse from a few jws.. .

after reading each of the following verses ask yourself, what does that verse mean?.

JerichoForce

Chance

Don't worry made the same mistake, Glitter was the one who had fun pointing that out, something to do with a bike...

Anyway, just flew through this post so this is just a quick reply.

To add to what you said we have the following statement from Jesus about his identity as the great I AM of the Old Testament and thus what we have is His claim that he and God are one and the same, compare this to what we see throughout the Old Testament

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am

Exodus 3:13 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

In Genesis 1:1 the Bible begins by saying ?In the beginning ELOHIYM?" The word Elohiym in Hebrew is the plural of the word ?God? (Eloi). Therefore, in the very first sentence of the Bible it tells us that in the beginning the GODS (Eloihiym) created the earth. As we read a little further in the first chapter of the Bible, we see that when God speaks He says ?let US..? That is correct language if one person is talking to one or more other people. However, it is incorrect if God is talking to Himself. Some say that God was talking to the angels. If that is so, then when Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit God why would God state ?Man is become as one of us?? A little later on in the first book of the Bible, during the time when the tower of Babel was being built, God said "Let US go down to confound their language." It seems very strange to me that God would have invited the angels to help Him perform this act when He could have done it all by Himself.

To me it seems clear that Jesus and God were clearly of a singular but (along with the Holy Spirit) triune Godhead, united in purpose and being, thus there is no contradicition in God raising his Son from the dead

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Seedy

It is fine for you and others to say that but you can't really just make those claims without giving any examples. I would be happy to go through any examples you might have and we can look at the claim and associated veracity of sources and evidence together. It might be better to have a seperate thread though, so others can post any examples they might have..

Take Care

JerichoForce

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JerichoForce

Ladies/Gents

Some excellent questions raised. Next week I will be responding to questions on

1/ Noah's Ark - The Evidence

2/ Violence in the bible and free will

3/ Responding to the comments made on Lee Stroebels book

4/ Discussing the evidence for creation (by God) v's scientific and evolutonary theories

5/ Responding to questions raised on prayer and the role of prayer in our relationship with God

and no I have not been scared off, I just like to spend time with my children (6 1/2 year old girl - Isabella, 15 month old boy - Sebastian) on the weekend and with my wife, so don't tend to have much time on the weekends to cntribure to te forum

God Bless and have a safe and happy weekend with your immediate families

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Glitter

I really believe before you make that kind of assessment about what is in the bible you should research a little more, why? Because your eternal future rests on it. Unlike a JW I am not telling you what you should believe but I am saying with something as vital as your eternal future you should be very convinced you are right. To reach that point you at least need to do the following two things

1/ Thoroughly look at the contradictions you see again to see if it is really contradictory or whether the contexts are different

2/ Even though you might not believe in God now, IF there is a God at least pray to Him that if He is real he will guide your understanding, if you try and rely on your own knowledge rather than the wisdom of the creator of the universe then in your own words it probably will all see like rubbish to you.

As for uncorrupted copies of the bible, yes we have the original manuscripts to compare against, but the King James is the best of the current translations, it contains a FEW translation errors which we know about and can be identified by comparing against the original manuscripts.

None of these translation errors in the King James substantively change the meaning, we can go through them one by one any time you like to illustrate this

Some of the original manuscripts that we have from the earliest apostolic age are for example, the Codex Sinaiticus which was found in the monastery of St. Catherine (of the Greek Orthodox Church) at Mount Sinai in 1844 and is now in the British Museum. It contains all of the books of the New Testament and all but small portions of the Old Testament. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was made early in the fourth century, not later than 350 A.D. This manuscript found by a German scholar named, Tishendorf, who was a Protestant.

Another valuable manuscript that has never been possessed by the Roman Catholic Church is the Codex Alexandrianus. It, too, is now on exhibit in the manuscript room of the British Museum in London. It was a gift from the Patriarch of Constantinople (of the Greek Orthodox Church) to Charles I in 1628. It had been in possession of the Patriarchs for centuries and originally came from Alexandria, Egypt from which it gets its name. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was also made in the fourth century and, along with the Codex Sinaiticus, is thought to be one of the fifty Greek Bibles commissioned to be copied by Constantine.

I would be happy to clarify any areas in the bible that you think are contradictory

I would suggest you at least look at what the following sites have to say as well as the book by

W.F.Arndt - Does the bible contradict itself?

on violence look at http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/violence.html

http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Bible/Contra/

http://www.bible.ca/canon.htm

http://www.needhim.org/1/bible/bible2.shtml

http://www.reformed.org/bible/boettner/inspire4.html

In Christ

Also out of interest, if that is your belief why do you participate in this forum..?

Remeber the words of Jesus when He spoke out against the Pharisees or religious zealots of the day who had hardened their hearts against the Word of God,

Mathhew 13:15 'For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them

But if we seek Him and open out hearts, the next verse Jesus says

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear

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Honesty,

Well spoken...

or even better yet in the words of Paul

Rom 8:38 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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JerichoForce

Dear Wednesday

I am sorry for your loss, but just remember what you have gained...

Also remember Jesus said He who does the will of my Father is my mother, my brother, my sister. This is after his own family tried to stop Him preaching His New testament message of salvation and God's plan of Grace. You are in God's family now, an adopted child of the Risen King, there is no better family to be in.

In Christ

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Glitter

Sorry for misunderstanding...It is sad you do not believe in the bible probably because of what you have probably been exposed to as a JW...Could you tell me your reasons for not believing the bible (and I mean uncorrupted versions unlike the twisted and distorted copies the JW's use). Could I suggest a book by Lee Stroebel called Case For Christ. he was an investigative journalist who set out to disprove the bible and the more he researched the more he gathered undeniable historical proof for the authenticity of the uncorruped Old and New Testaments

As for not converting them, do not under estimate the power of the Holy Spirit to transform and cut deep at hearts, he can smash any barrier the enemy can hold up...Jesus has been given ALL power and ALL authority over the enemy, including those He has brain washed..

In Christ

T.G

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JerichoForce

Guys

If you mean that you are all ex JW's then yep you've got me, I didn't realise and am sorry if I have wasted anyone's time..

In Christ

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Hey SeattleNiceGuy

I am exactly where I want to be...Not my will but thy will be done, as it is written so shall I obey, bringing His light to the lost..

In Christ

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Glitter

That is because you have probably only been fed by the JW leadership what they want you to believe

The bible says to seek the truth through the Holy Spirit, He is called the Spirit of Truth read John 14:13 & 16-17

13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come

16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 - Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

The bible also exhorts us to test all things we are told by man and compare them to scripture, 2 Tim 2:15

'Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. ' man a liar; Please, if anyone would like more info, post here and I can direct you to people who can help 2Cor 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen

As a last note, the word communion with above is interpreted in the Greek as koinonia meaning intimacy

Strongs has it as - intercourse, fellowship, intimacy, so we could rewqrite the above as 2Cor 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the intimate fellowship of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen Draw near to Him and He will draw near to you