FatherFirst

Joined

• started 4 topics
• posted 8 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by FatherFirst

• 
  2

  "The Paradise Earth" debunked, an email to my JW parents.

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, just your son.

  i don't mean to bother you, however i came across something really interesting pertaining to the last time me and dad had a "bible discussion" i thought you should see, and since it's straight from the horses mouth so to speak, i assumed you'd be willing to.. just in case you forgot, at the time, i was making the argument that:.

  ) the new world translation when compared to other well known and accepted translations replace several words which seem to change the meaning.

  1. 
  2. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  Hey guys, just your son. I don't mean to bother you, however I came across something really interesting pertaining to the last time me and dad had a "bible discussion" I thought you should see, and since it's straight from the horses mouth so to speak, I assumed you'd be willing to.

  Just in case you forgot, at the time, I was making the argument that:
  

  1.) The New World Translation when compared to other well known and accepted translations replace several words which seem to change the meaning. i.e. in (Psalms 37:29) it replaces the words inherit with possess, land with earth, and therein with on.

  2.) Psalms is old testament telling of things that has already taken place, not of things to come.

  3.) Throughout Psalms i.e. (Psalms 37:18,29; 78:70,71; 105:10,11) there's common context and wording about the allotted inheritance of the Promised Land (the land of Caʹnaan) given to Israel for them to dwell in generation after generation according to God's covenant with Abraham. In context this is exactly what Psalms 37:11,29 and even Matthew 5:5 is referring to because in Matthew Jesus was quoting from the Psalms.

  At the time this was just something I stumbled onto by reading the Psalms by itself without any, what the society likes to refer to as "bible aids." However I recently came across a short youtube video (like 5 min long) of someone explaining that the term "Paradise Earth" doesn't even appear in any scriptures of the bible! The only place you can find it is once in the introduction of the NWT as well as in a footnote in revelation, also only in the NWT.

  He goes on to mention that even the society has admitted that in the context, these verses which we were taught pertains to paradise earth, are not specifically referring to a earthly hope. Here are his references: w86 1.1 Questions From Readers & w74 6.15 Serve with Eternity in View. To be thorough I looked them up in the Watchtower Library and attached the screenshots below so you can see for yourself. Also please watch this short video (link below), he goes into much more detail than myself and gives NWT bible & Watchtower Library reference proof throughout.

  
  

  
  
• 
  7

  Watch out! The lactose intolerance policy May be coming

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a teen i had back surgery that could have easily gone bad because of the no blood policy, so it's always been of particular intrest to me.

  i was just thinking to myself, not only do human mothers have white blood cells in their breast milk but so does nearly every other mammal on our planet.

  so that would mean for one, god "intelligently designed" us, and every other mammal to literally feed on our mothers blood in the beginning of life for sustenance, only to make the use of blood sinful when it comes to saving not just sustaining our life later on.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  To be fair it's Somatic cell count [SSC] which in milk are primarily Leukocytes or white blood cells. I took my figure from the Quoted and bulleted list under "as defined by the state of Indiana administrative code, grade A milk shall meet the following standards." here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_cell_count granted the figure isn't exact and may vary from state to state, but the point still remains that all milk whether human breast milk, or the milk from the grocery store around the corner has white blood cells in it. And according to the society witness are required to abstain from the four primary blood components—[red cells, white cells, plasma, and platelets]
• 
  7

  Watch out! The lactose intolerance policy May be coming

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a teen i had back surgery that could have easily gone bad because of the no blood policy, so it's always been of particular intrest to me.

  i was just thinking to myself, not only do human mothers have white blood cells in their breast milk but so does nearly every other mammal on our planet.

  so that would mean for one, god "intelligently designed" us, and every other mammal to literally feed on our mothers blood in the beginning of life for sustenance, only to make the use of blood sinful when it comes to saving not just sustaining our life later on.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  When I was a teen I had back surgery that could have easily gone bad because of the no blood policy, so it's always been of particular intrest to me. I was just thinking to myself, not only do human mothers have white blood cells in their breast milk but so does nearly every other mammal On our planet. So that would mean for one, god "intelligently designed" us, and every other mammal to literally feed on our mothers blood in the beginning of life for sustenance, only to make the use of blood sinful when it comes to saving not just sustaining our life later on. But also, a regular gallon of cow milk at your local grocery store has a SSC [white cell count] of around 1,000,000 per milliliter. So every time a witness sits down at their kitchen table and has some milk with their cereal, whether they realize it or not, according to their society they are sinning against god! Just some food for thought
• 
  67

  How do you feel about religion as a whole?

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

  just curious, a personal poll if you will.

  what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  Examples FayDunaway? And before you ask for some from me... my family, when they disowned me and their granddaughter because of what they believed.
• 
  67

  How do you feel about religion as a whole?

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

  just curious, a personal poll if you will.

  what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  To JeffT and those advocating religious good, albeit admirable and considerable, do you believe it has or can make up for the bad done in the name of religion e.g. human sacrifice, the inquisition, WWll ect.... In 2010 a global religious demographic study was done where it showed even today 85% of the population is affiliated with one religion or another. So I don't think that the same good wouldn't be done without religion; there just hasn't been anyone else to do the job. let me ask this, do you guys think it's possible that although most religion is probably less intolerant than cults like the jws, there is still a form of indoctrination in all religions, a false fear that a person can't be just as good or moral without their religious faith leading the way, and while religion may preach tolerance it inevitably leads to the exact opposite? I just feel like we should take what we already know and build on that. Even in the days of Socrates the study of moral philosophy had to do with well being not god, the idea that living according to ones nature would lead to happiness and it's in our nature as a reasoning species unlike any other to be kind, virtuous, and moral. I don't think trying to be good out of fear of damnation or hope of reward are very moral reasons to be moral. Like anything else, If your gonna do it, you should do it for you.
• 
  67

  How do you feel about religion as a whole?

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

  just curious, a personal poll if you will.

  what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  It just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion. Just curious, a personal poll if you will. What are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?
• 
  14

  I'm a father first!

  by FatherFirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi guys, this is my first post; i thought i should introduce myself.

  i was raised and spent most of my life a jw before i was disassociated, because i refused to stop seeing a non witness girl.

  i must say their decision to cut me off from my family and friends although initially traumatic ended up being the biggest blessing in disguise of my life.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  No I was baptized when I was 12, I was about 17 when I met my daughter's mother. Still living at home I would sneak out to see her, and eventually got caught. At the judicial meeting they basically said I can't have it both ways, seeing a non believer and be in Jehovah's good favor, that I would have to make a choice. One night I Snuck out and never went back. Went to a few meetings after, but soon became irregular and inactive. I never wrote a letter or anything, just got a call from my parents saying they disassociated me. I'm not sure, me not going to the meetings regularly may have had a lot to do with it too, but my young taboo romance is definitely what led to that point. Anyway 26 now, my daughter is 6, and I couldn't be happier!
• 
  14

  I'm a father first!

  by FatherFirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi guys, this is my first post; i thought i should introduce myself.

  i was raised and spent most of my life a jw before i was disassociated, because i refused to stop seeing a non witness girl.

  i must say their decision to cut me off from my family and friends although initially traumatic ended up being the biggest blessing in disguise of my life.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  FatherFirst

  Hi guys, this is my first post; I thought I should introduce myself. I was raised and spent most of my life a jw before I was disassociated, because I refused to stop seeing a non witness girl. I must say their decision to cut me off from my family and friends although initially traumatic ended up being the biggest blessing in disguise of my life. It allowed me to shed the indoctrinated fear of looking at both sides of the argument. After doing my own extensive research I was able to eventually wake up to the inconsistencies, misleadings, misquotations, undue influence, even my own ingrained judging attitude towards anyone who wasn't involved with the organization of my birth, whose policies are alone responsible for destroying families (not the shunned ones personal decisions in life) which we all are entitled to. Now a father myself, I find my daughter is the light of my life. I simply can't imagine ever turning her away because we may not agree on some theological point. Or god forbid being a victim of the two witness rule, where in sexual abuse cases within the organization, if the victim is the only witness to the abuse (as is the case in most sexual abuse cases) and the accused denies the allegation, no credence is given to the abuse claim. In such cases the heads of the congregation or elders are instructed by their legal department and certain publications of the society to tell the victim and family to leave things in Jehovah's hands and not get secular authorities involved, in essence protecting the abuser in order to protect their reputation as a morally clean society. Or again perish the thought, having to watch my baby girl on a hospital bed where if a blood transfusion was needed to save her life, I would be expected to watch her take her last breath before allowing her to have a transfusion, because of a blood refusal policy which causes the death of many Witnesses each year (adult and child alike). It makes me wonder if they're aware of the fact that there is around one million white blood cells in just one drop of breast milk. As far as I know they allow witness mothers to breast feed their children don't they? How could the intake of blood be such a sin when it's clearly a part of our loving gods natural design, especially when it's used to save a life not just sustaining it? Neither could I imagine discouraging her from educating herself, when the time comes telling her that college is dangerous. Just as Anthony Morris— (one of the governing body members) said. "the better the institution is, the more dangerous it is". And yes they do believe and teach that if your not a witness you will be slaughtered with the other 99.9% of the population at armageddon, that being just one of many unhealthy even mentally and emotionally damaging doctrines they teach. I wholeheartedly believe that any group of any kind that admonishes their members to stay away from those who don't agree with them, not even considering what they have to say is unhealthy, hypocritical, and should raise a HUGE RED FLAG! For example I can guarantee If a witness came to your door and you tried to offer them some different literature to consider, they would without hesitation turn it down looking at you as nothing more than a stumbling block sent by the devil himself. I for one am thankful to now have true Christian freedom (John 8: 32)—Freedom to love unconditionally, freedom from irrational fear, guilt, or shame, from the worry of inadequacy, from undue influence, from an ingrained prejudging attitude towards anyone not involved with that society, from indoctrination, and above all, the freedom to raise my daughter to be the kind of person I believe a truly loving god would want her to be. For although I remain an estranged son, I'm a father first!