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  Who here is not former Jehovah's Witness?

  by omerp in

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  just wondering who else is lurking besides me?

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  Proudly never a dub

  (proud that is until I realize how many things I have done that are just as stupid )

  CYP
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  What Would It Take For Your JW Family/Friend To Get Out?

  by minimus in

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  is there anything that might get your witness relative or friend out of the "truth"??

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  That is the million dollar question isn't it.

  I think the bottom line is whether or not that the person NEEDS to believe in the jw.

  The way to find this out is ask:

  "If it wasn't the truth would you want to know?" or

  "Pretend I have a peice of paper here, and it has irrefutable evidence that the jw aren't God's organization. Do want to look at it?"

  If the answer is NO, then it is not truth they love (because the way truth is best understood is by a constant search for facts and ideas and modifying OUR concept of truth according to those), but rather "the truth" (this requires only looking at facts and ideas that support "the truth" and refusing to acknowledge or look at facts or ideas that refute it).

  If that is the case then they NEED to believe in the jw. I don't think there is any point in showing them anything. You have to first identify, then create conditions that remove the need.

  If they don't NEED to believe in the jw (unlikely) then your task is simplified. I heard someone here say that "the door you came in through is the door you have to leave through". What that means is don't take them stuff YOU think is important. Rather find out what the hooks were for them. Remove the hooks through humble and presentation of facts and ideas and asking them to square these with their beliefs..

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  BETHEL NEWS: Bethel Elder Arrangement to be dissolved as of Aug. 31, 2006

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is some news from a source within one of the wts branches:

  hot news from todays morning worship announcement worldwide -- letter from gb being read on 1st of march 2006 to every branch (hopefully we will have a copy of the letter soon.).

  as of aug. 31, 2006 the bethel elder arrangement will be dissolved!

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  Bottom line: The GB has been gradually loosing control of the "Bethel Family" so now they are getting rid of their visible "Internal Affairs / Gestapo" people and creating an invisible controlling force.

  This comment as well as the recent Bethel downsizing is convincing me that there is a purge of sorts going on. I wonder how they decided who to downsize out of Bethel and who to not. Many have speculated financial/medical reasons. Could it also had an ideological component.

  The beauty of the totalitarian purge is that it leaves the leadership surrounded by yes-men and toadies, and even further isolated from reality... slower to react... and therefore increasingly paranoid.

  I have a feeling the WT is going to start getting really bizarre over the next few years.

  CYP
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  COURTS ALLOW LAWRENCE HUGHES TO SUE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  last friday the judge decided that my wrongfull death suit for my daughters estate can proceed against the watchtower society and its lawyers and the doctors.

  the story received national news coverage on saturday and tuesday with alot of coverage on monday.

  today, associated press and cnn covered the story which makes it world news.. lawrence.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Lawrence,

  I am so sorry for your loss. I hope your efforts are fruitful, and help protect others from a similar fate. I pray that you take some comfort from them as well.

  CYP
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  Cults, Crisis, Concision

  by RichieRich in

  1. jw
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  so this month (march) i promised my mother that i would auxillary pioneer with her.

  {that's 50 hours in field service, fyi}.

  i was supposed to turn in my application tonight, but alas, i forgot it.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  A metaphorical and lyrical representation of the deep shit that we are all in with our families, our friends, and our Big Brothers at Bethel

  Preach it brother.

  Hang in there. Mine cries one week telling me she isn't happy, and feels like she doesn't even care. Next week she is as zealous and obnoxious as ever.

  But they are our loved ones. We can't just stand by while some theological pimp just smacks our loved ones around like 2 dollar hookers. "Bitch better have my service time!!!"

  Censer Watchtower esse delendam!!!!

  CYP
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  Where's Crumpet?

  by slugga in

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  anyone seen or heard from crumpet recently, i know she was having a bit of a hard time recently.... matt

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  Hey Crumpy!

  Glad to hear you are ok. I haven't been around so much either. You are always in my thoughts tho.

  Cheers.

  CYP
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  BETHEL NEWS: Bethel Elder Arrangement to be dissolved as of Aug. 31, 2006

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is some news from a source within one of the wts branches:

  hot news from todays morning worship announcement worldwide -- letter from gb being read on 1st of march 2006 to every branch (hopefully we will have a copy of the letter soon.).

  as of aug. 31, 2006 the bethel elder arrangement will be dissolved!

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  Check_Your_Premises

  A Bethel elder not only meets the Scriptural qualifications for elders in a congregation, but does so in a fuller and more complete way...

  I missed that one... it reminds me of "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"

  CYP
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  BETHEL NEWS: Bethel Elder Arrangement to be dissolved as of Aug. 31, 2006

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is some news from a source within one of the wts branches:

  hot news from todays morning worship announcement worldwide -- letter from gb being read on 1st of march 2006 to every branch (hopefully we will have a copy of the letter soon.).

  as of aug. 31, 2006 the bethel elder arrangement will be dissolved!

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  Check_Your_Premises

  sounds kinda like a purge to me....

  ...crumbling, ideologically bankrupt, totalitarian regimes always turn on themselves.
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  Have any been attacked while in FS?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

  1. jw
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  how many times were you attacked physically?.

  how many times were you attacked verbally?.

  how long were you a jw?.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  then popped the button on his brolly, it was a 'Boss' brolly

  Could you translate that into Yankee English???
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  Have any been attacked while in FS?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

  1. jw
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  how many times were you attacked physically?.

  how many times were you attacked verbally?.

  how long were you a jw?.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Background:

  The reason I am asking about this is because my wife takes my youngest out in service while I am at work. I worry about both of them in general, but also because religion is about the most sensetive area for you to be running around poking strangers.

  I printed out the list of local sex offenders so she would know which doors to DEFINITELY not be knocking on! For some reason this simple, common sense measure never occurred to the local boe.

  On the one hand I think prostletyzing is a total indoctrination tool, and subjects my kids (can't tell my wife she cant) to unecessary risk. On the other hand my kids only have to endure it until kindergarten.

  I am just trying to decide if this is a hill worth dying on. Field service is a big deal to jw's!

  CYP