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on top of that, she keeps trying to strike up conversations and she goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on... its amazing!

never a pause between sentences and barely a any space between words... just a very very long series of words coming out of her mouth non-stop.

Check_Your_Premises

Since it's object-oriented and uses a period as the object method operator, so I'm thinking it would have to be C#.

nerd

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Why isn't the WTS more direct in regards to "apostate" web sites?????????

by integ in

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i wonder why the wts does not specifically tell its hapless adherents to not go to apostate websites?

references as to what to beware of on the internet seem to be painted with broad strokes.

always first is pornography, then chat rooms.

Check_Your_Premises

It'd be great if they specifically forbade URLs!

Actually I thought it would be a great idea to post small billboards on private property, with certain urls, NEAR kingdom halls! That would be a great witnessing campaign!

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Help out, I need an ex-jw opinion: Explanation of why I can't be a dub

by Check_Your_Premises in

anybody who is trying to get a loved one out of the jw, knows you have to be open to their religion.

otherwise you are an opposer and they won't talk to you.

but you also have to give a credible reason why you can't join "yet".

I think at some point, the purpose of the exercise has to be honored. As much as I would love to point out the hypocrisies of the org to my wife the real reason for the discussion is to give a strong case as to why I feel the need to be skeptical of the org.

At some point I would have to back off and say,

"Those are good points love-buns. That is why I am studying the matter so carefully. I know you are a good person, who loves the Lord very much. It means alot to me that you want to help me understand your beliefs, thank you so much for trying to understand mine."

(I don't really call my wife love buns)

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Help out, I need an ex-jw opinion: Explanation of why I can't be a dub

by Check_Your_Premises in

anybody who is trying to get a loved one out of the jw, knows you have to be open to their religion.

otherwise you are an opposer and they won't talk to you.

but you also have to give a credible reason why you can't join "yet".

Check_Your_Premises

So...you don't think that anyone who just had a Bible and no other literature could understand it and be saved?

That is a good "reality test". I think most new dubs would say, yes. However their literature says the contrary. Of course once I showed the literature she would agree with that, and disagree with her previous opinion. (I have seen that phenomenon first hand)

Was the Bible written for each and every one of us?
Why would the "King" leave instructions for each and every one of his people that could not be understood?

Those are good and legitimate questions.

Why would he leave his people without "official guides" for 1800 years?
When these "official guides" came along, did they appoint themselves as such or did the "King" send them?

What are you trying to get at with the first one? Are you saying there are "official guides". For the second one, a dub will say "the king sent them because everything they say is backed up by the Bible!"

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Help out, I need an ex-jw opinion: Explanation of why I can't be a dub

by Check_Your_Premises in

anybody who is trying to get a loved one out of the jw, knows you have to be open to their religion.

otherwise you are an opposer and they won't talk to you.

but you also have to give a credible reason why you can't join "yet".

Check_Your_Premises

On what premise would a person claim that they were the only ones who understood the message correctly? Wouldn't it be suspicious if someone made the claim that they were the only ones who had the special ability to understand the king's instructions correctly?

Well the dubs would say their claim is valid because if you just read the bible, and go to all the meetings, and start a study, it will all become obvious to you. They are TFDS because the interpret the bible correctly. They interpret the bible correctly because they are TFDS. It is a circular argument, but it works for them.

THere is another angle there to. See, since what TFDS tells them about the Bible comes from God's channel, they believe it! Now they beleive it, they look at the bible and say, "TFDS must be Gods channel, what they teach is right here!" When something comes from authority, people don't quesiton it as much.

Have you ever tried to get a dub to admit that they only believe what they believe because TFDS told them to?! They will deny it very strongly! Then ask them how come everyone always agrees when TFDS changes it's mind? The best I got was, "well I don't know, it has never happened to me."

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Help out, I need an ex-jw opinion: Explanation of why I can't be a dub

by Check_Your_Premises in

anybody who is trying to get a loved one out of the jw, knows you have to be open to their religion.

otherwise you are an opposer and they won't talk to you.

but you also have to give a credible reason why you can't join "yet".

Check_Your_Premises

Sorry Old Soul,

The expanded analogy that would be designed to refute would not be for family consumption. It would be more for amusement here, inoculation of new book studies, and for detox of former dubs.

I would not use it to try to get my wife out of the org!!!

I am open to the religion wink-wink, I am not an opposer. Actually that technically is true. If someone walks on some water, makes some wine, predicts something that ACTUALLY happens, I am all ears.

I won't hold my breath for the faithful and discreet slave to impress me any time soon.

CYP

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Help out, I need an ex-jw opinion: Explanation of why I can't be a dub

by Check_Your_Premises in

anybody who is trying to get a loved one out of the jw, knows you have to be open to their religion.

otherwise you are an opposer and they won't talk to you.

but you also have to give a credible reason why you can't join "yet".

Check_Your_Premises

And if I point out that nobody would arrive at the jw conclusions independently she would probably say

"No of course not, we need the guidance of the jw. The Holy Spirit will not help us if we are not listening to God's Organization. Just like the ethiopian eunuch said, 'how could I know unless someone tells me' "

And then I reply

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH YOU ARE IN A FREEKIN CULT!!!"

sorry

What would I reply?

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Help out, I need an ex-jw opinion: Explanation of why I can't be a dub

by Check_Your_Premises in

anybody who is trying to get a loved one out of the jw, knows you have to be open to their religion.

otherwise you are an opposer and they won't talk to you.

but you also have to give a credible reason why you can't join "yet".

Check_Your_Premises

MJ,

Ok, I see. So If I said

"The king would probably want to write his message so that the main things he wanted would be easily understood and agreed upon by anyone who read it"

I have a feeling a dub would say, "and that is why we are right. All of these things are so obvious but we are the only ones who read it correctly"

I would reply "don't all Christian denominations agree on the fundamentals of God created us, the Bible is God's word, man fell into rebellion, God sent Christ to take our punishment, through Christ we can have a relationship with God"

A dub would then reply "but the other ones are not following the Bible, and not keeping His commandments?"

I would become possessed by Sam Kinison and say "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH YOU ARE IN A FREEKIN CULT!!!!"

sorry.

I mean I would say, "But the message is clear enough so all can agree on the main points, which all Christian denominations do"

Is that about right?

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Help out, I need an ex-jw opinion: Explanation of why I can't be a dub

by Check_Your_Premises in

anybody who is trying to get a loved one out of the jw, knows you have to be open to their religion.

otherwise you are an opposer and they won't talk to you.

but you also have to give a credible reason why you can't join "yet".

Check_Your_Premises

The ones you have to watch out for are the ones that could never be arrived at independently...

Could you elaborate on this one?

Check_Your_Premises

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