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this is an entry i made into a diary from about 4 12 years ago - 6mths before we finally left.......
"summer hols have come and gone...... not one jw asked to play with my lovely children - sick people" .
Ok how do you pull the "nobody calls when we don't show up routine"?
My wife misses one meeting and the phone is ringing off the hook as soon as the meeting is over.
Is that because she is newly dunked? Is it because you "nobody called us" types were considered "spiritually weak"?
i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.
there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.
i am not sure how to pull this off.. .
I think brci.org would be the group to get involved in notifying the recently df'd
They are conscientious Christians who could not remain in the org. They help the recently df'd. They keep a low profile, so they might not be interested in our little ideas.
Anyone attempting to kill the org through contact of the recently df'd should talk to these guys first in my opinion.
i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.
there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.
i am not sure how to pull this off.. .
I ran across this site one time. This is a witness to witnesses ministry. I haven't vetted the site or org, but they do sell pamphlets and tracts to be distributed to dubs. Not sure how good they are.
i present this as a complement to cyps thread: how to implode your local congregation.
there are risks associated with abrupt elimination of delusions.
often such delusion stripping results in extended periods of depression, with all the accompanying possibilities including suicide.
Well, there is still a lot to think about. There are a lot of possiblitites. A single person or group of people has to run the whole smash and the rules have to be well established and thought out.
This is strictly a concept. The purpose of a concept discussion is to establish the goals. In this case I think the goal is to:
1. limit recruitment by identifying and intercepting new Bible studies/return visits with inoculating information.
2. Aiding the exit of newly df/da by providing guilt reducing information and contact/support from decent, non-jw, not-pushing-apostasy or another religion type folks
3. Establish a contact list of jws, ex-jws, families of jws, and potential jw recruits.
What we are talking about then in this particular thread is a database of info. There are several entities that would be required to fulfill the above goals. They can be related openly or directly, or the relationships can be hidden. Some entities could be public and common knowledge. Others would be known only to those running the whole smash. And lastly, there would need to be a single entity coordinating everything.
There are several phases to a project. That is what we are talking about here. The phases are concept-requirements-design-implementation-launch.
This is strictly in the concept phase. We should focus our discussions to "what are the goals" and "what could we create to accomplish those goals".
i present this as a complement to cyps thread: how to implode your local congregation.
there are risks associated with abrupt elimination of delusions.
often such delusion stripping results in extended periods of depression, with all the accompanying possibilities including suicide.
I will help with ideas, and any intel I can provide.
At this time I can have no part of administering or operating a web page until I get my wife out. Until then I can participate in no concerted effort to destroy the org or my local congregation.
This is where I am headed once she is out.
A relational database of all known dubs from the congregation to worldwide level would be a powerful tool. It would require constant maintenance, and would require the information from dubs, family of dubs, and ex dubs. THere are tons of those who could provide info. If you have 1000 members here, and assume they know 10 dubs each, we get info on 10000 dubs. From those we aquire new intel assets. From those we get new contact info. So on and so on.
I thought of this when I heard such a database of contacts was used in tracking down Saddam.
There are all sorts of issues involved, such as how to determine if info is reliable. Security issues are important. Use of the info would have to be tightly controlled.
It could be used to provide statistical info, member status, kill recruitment, aid exit, and generally scare the pants off the leadership... which as I pointed out on another thread has it's own self destructive benefits as well.
i stumbled upon this site while looking for help.
my prob is there's this girl i really really like alot.
she's beautiful,smart, has a great personality and i love being around her.
Clay,
It looks like it took 4 pages of posts before you got the best advice of them all. Good point Hmike.
CYP
i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.
there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.
i am not sure how to pull this off.. .
Thanks for your comments all.
I see now that this is not a very well developed idea. I will keep thinking about it and consider it at a more appropriate time in the future.
Right now I am trying to get my wife to leave. Until I have done that, I can't risk a lot of "hair pulling and jumping about" trying to kill the org or my local congregation.
Today she said in regards to the jw after I jokingly criticized her, "man, I have enough people breathing down my neck!"
She is feeling the love.... jw style.
i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.
there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.
i am not sure how to pull this off.. .
That is a good point Tatiana. There are many who are df, who have every intention of returning. Those would have to be handled different then da's or faders.
I only know a little bit about history, human nature, and the fall of totalitarian regimes.
The last one being the most germane.
Again, I am not a dub. The experts here will have to tell you how to pull this off!
i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.
there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.
i am not sure how to pull this off.. .
ONe way to give the df a place to go, is to setup a local and known opposition. Preferably through a local church since they will have the motivation and means for such an undertaking.
Then go to a meeting everyonce in awhile and put fliers on car windows that say,
"having doubts about the Truth? If you leave or thinking of leaving give us a call if you need to talk"
Imagine the gasping and fainting that would take place.
Your local faders would throw the flier away in disgust, all the while saying the number over and over in their head.
That way you would have two levels of interaction. A known opposition that df's and faders could contact, and an inside presence that provides intel and paranoia.
i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.
there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.
i am not sure how to pull this off.. .
The thing I like about educating the local return visits and bible studies is that it will kill growth. It will also be very frustrating to the individual dub, who just keeps slaving away with nothing to show. No sense of accomplishment.
