(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).
“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.
many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.
"I believe it is possible that there may be something but it's not based on undeniable evidence (if I'm being intellectually honest with myself), it is based on pure faith and speculation."
Well for me the evidence i received was undeniable. It couldn't be for someone else. I think what crossed me over from your position to mine was the leap of faith; picking up the phone to say hello to the voice on the other side, taking the chance i would receive an answer.
(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).
“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.
many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.
sarcasm
what is it with this pair?
why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?
a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.
well on the other hand, it is nice to see people who can actually voice an opinion or disagreement, rather than some forced unity BS.
I have noticed that former JW are, at times, obnoxiously contrarian. Which is cool. They earned the right in most cases.
(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).
“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.
many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.
well yeah... but only for other people.
my wife was recently cornered by the elders about her blood card because she didn't have one.
so one elder witnessed her sign it and he signed it and one elder made himself her health care agent.. with the memorial coming up i am thinking of maybe having a life insurance policy drawn up, maybe in the amount of 300 or 400 dollars a month and i will ask these two dipshits if they would like to sign it.
it only seems fair they should be finicially responsible for my son since they made my wife sign a document endangering her safety.. what do you think?.
Ok read a little back story. She is marginal at best. You are way out and she knows.
(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).
“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.
many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.
I don't think it is complicated. People make it so. Religion is people. C.S. Lewis said we should look at religion like a map. We trust someones representation of what they have found, but it isn't the thing itself.
In Christianity, God gives us two rules. Love God. Love your neighbor as yourself. Now those two rules, are somewhat intuitive (natural law). C.S. Lewis (again) in Mere Christianity, outlines his case outside of Biblical pronouncements (a holy book appealing to it's own authority is not a valid argument). A little thought should also make it obvious that you have not been able to follow those two rules. So you are on the outs with this Rule maker. The reason why Christianity was logical to me, is because God gives you your way back to him. You don't have to earn it, or make it on your own.
Also, a helpful way for me to think of God was not as a bunch of rules or buildings or people, but just as a friend to have a relationship with. And once I realized that God is all about love, then he became important to me. That is what I want to be about. Anyone who isn't about love is doing religion wrong.
I was once an atheist and a searcher. I couldn't stomach the idea of believing in something that couldn't be proven (or dis proven). I asked for years (arrogantly) for God to reveal himself to me. To use a 2x4 so there would be no question. Nothing. Then one day, I got the idea to explore faith from the perspective of holding it as a given that there was a God. (a useful method I learned from math, is to hold one parameter as a given so you can explore possibilities). At that moment he began to reveal himself to me, in unmistakable ways. A warning... If you try my experiment, be humble. You are addressing the Almighty.
my wife was recently cornered by the elders about her blood card because she didn't have one.
so one elder witnessed her sign it and he signed it and one elder made himself her health care agent.. with the memorial coming up i am thinking of maybe having a life insurance policy drawn up, maybe in the amount of 300 or 400 dollars a month and i will ask these two dipshits if they would like to sign it.
it only seems fair they should be finicially responsible for my son since they made my wife sign a document endangering her safety.. what do you think?.
Well I would base your decision about what to do on how your wife will react. I presume you would prefer she left the org. So I think your pressure point is where Listener pointed you. But I wouldn't demand some headship thing. Just talk to her. Insurance... sure it is a valid point, but how will it be received by your wife. I am thinking it would be unnecessarily confrontational. Feels good, but produces the opposite effect.
You are her husband, not some jagoff elder or some phony baloney publishing company. So maybe say to her that you feel you should be the designated health representative. Maybe even agree to honor her wishes. Then go through the excruciating details with her. What a GOLDEN opportunity to indirectly point out the absurdities of the blood doctrine. SINCERELY ask her to decide all the silly questions about fractions. It will drive her batshit, and you are the good guy "just trying to follow the org". Jiu-jitsu my friend. All about taking someones energy, and redirecting. Never oppose force with force. If she agrees, she could just tell elder jagoff 1 and 2 that she needs to redo the card.
Yeah, I really think I would need more backstory on your wife to help craft an appropriate response. How dedicated of a JW? How long has she been in? Born in, joined as an adult? How well does she handle you not being a dub. How well do you two get along regarding JW?
If she doesn't trust you, then that is always your step 1. The enemy for both of you is not in your home. It is outside.
-Matt
during my time dealing with the jw, i was always a bit annoyed by the whole "use god's name" thing.. one day i asked somebody the following:.
"if i murder and torture a child, and claim to do it in jehovah's name, who did i serve.
if i rescue, comfort, and help heal the same, and claim to do it in the name of satan, who then did i serve?".
No such thing as good? How about love? I bet you could think of all sorts of examples where people have done you wrong, aka not good.
Agreed we dont even need to believe in God to be about love. That is why i said:"Suppose you cannot stomach the idea that there is an all powerful mind in control of the universe, you still can be all about love. To me that atheist would be a better Christian than I have been all to often"
kind of got into it with my jw wife last night for the first time in a long time.. i try to not engage in conversations about doctrinal matters unless she asks me which she did.. anyway, i wont go into details but of course i am "not going to change her mind" and "why is it that you can't see when very smart people can?
" yada yada yada.
you probably can imagine.. it makes me so depressed.
Cant say much that hasnt already been said. Just keep trying to build up every other part o your relationship and try to cultivate an attitude that it is no skin off your as if she is a jw. Any energy on your part that is against her faith in jw feeds it. Leave her to the burdensome life without any persecution complex. And just be friend. Hang in there
during my time dealing with the jw, i was always a bit annoyed by the whole "use god's name" thing.. one day i asked somebody the following:.
"if i murder and torture a child, and claim to do it in jehovah's name, who did i serve.
if i rescue, comfort, and help heal the same, and claim to do it in the name of satan, who then did i serve?".
"A lot of people think that they are the "lovingest" people on earth. But ask their neighbors, wives etc you get a different story. "
Ha! ain't that the truth. Well I specified that a person be about love, not merely be convinced of the fact.
Why do I think Christ died? Because He loves us. He did it because we are helpless in our fallen state. He died so we could be made right with God.
In the Christian faith being outside the kingdom is described as an eternal separation from God. What exactly that means, or who is to brought into that eternal separation, or what exactly is the criteria is not for me to know.
