Posts by corproal

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"Cornered" a street cornerer today

by Jez in

thought today that i would try to get some questions answered.

i wanted to see if he could answer my concerns and was looking forward to a nice discussion or some peace regarding some things that are driving me crazy.. so, i saw this older 'wise' looking gentleman on the street holding up some mags.

so, i approached him.

corproal

Wow ,

That's amazing ,because I encountered the same type of react

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My story

by beachbugg in

it's really good to read stories of other people that have experienced some of the same things i have.

i haven't ever posted or even talked to another ex-jw except for my uncle who i have just recently started a relationship with.

the sad thing is that i am 30 years old and i am still struggling with the past....i'm soo sick of it.

corproal

Hey Beachbugg,

I am replying on my fiancees login and am also an ex JW, I would like to talk to u online, so I am sending my yahoo messenger id: myperogotive

or my email, which is [email protected]. Hope to hear from you soon, I feel we have a lot in common and it would he healing to talk...

[email protected]

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Jesus no longer really "a god"?

by M.J. in

i saw the latest wt magazine released this week.

i don't have it on me but on the cover it asks the question, "is there only one true god?".

skimming the story inside i noticed they quoted the verse in isaiah where it mentions there is only one god and there never was or will be a god alongside him.. "hmm," i wondered, "how will they reconcile this with john 1:1?".

corproal

I wonder why the JW's don't use examples such as this .

Here Jesus is declared the Firstborn of every creature. What does this phrase mean? Firstborn is translated from the Greek word prototokos, and it simply means: first-born --first begotten. We also see that prototokos is a conjunction of two root words. Protos and tikto (tikto is it’s alternate). Protos simply means: foremost (in time, place, order or importance):--before, beginning, first (of all), former.
The second article is tikto which means: to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literally or figuratively:--bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail. Thus we see in these verses that Paul is telling us that Christ was ‘Begotten First or Born Before all creation’, because all of creation was created by God through Christ (Ephesians 3:9). This is also the explanation given to us concerning this verse in the Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon: “Christ is called, firstborn of all creation, who came into being through God prior to the entire universe of created things”. Wigram’s Greek Lexicon tells us the following: “Or it may be; born before all creation”. This truth is also testified to in Proverbs 8:24-25, “When there were no depths, I was brought forth (born); when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth (born)” . Jamieson, Faussett and Brown Bible Commentary has this to add: “first-born of every creature-- (Heb_1:6), "the first-begotten": "begotten of His Father before all worlds" [Nicene Creed]… Translate, "Begotten (literally, 'born') before every creature," as the context shows, which gives the reason why He is so designated. "For," &c. (Col_1:16-17) [TRENCH]. Matthew Henry’s Commentary states the following: “He was born or begotten before all the creation, before any creature was made;” This also destroys the Jehovah Witnesses’ doctrine that Christ was the first created angel; for we see that Christ was the active agent in the creation of all things, both in heaven and in earth, including angels. And what of the following verse? Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

The word ‘Beginning’ is from the Greek Arche. Arche is some times translated power and principality. And it is thus here, for it declares Christ to be the "agent" or "efficient cause" of Creation. This perfectly fits our understanding that Christ is the agent through whom God has created all things, but we are told that Christ was brought forth in a very different manner, for he is called the ONLY BEGOTTEN (MONOGENES) OF GOD, a phrase that would be utterly inappropriate to apply to any created being.

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Jesus no longer really "a god"?

by M.J. in

i saw the latest wt magazine released this week.

i don't have it on me but on the cover it asks the question, "is there only one true god?".

skimming the story inside i noticed they quoted the verse in isaiah where it mentions there is only one god and there never was or will be a god alongside him.. "hmm," i wondered, "how will they reconcile this with john 1:1?".

corproal

How dare these fools.

They are quick to quote apostate material to suit their agenda.

"The basic Greek word for "only-begotten" used for Jesus and Isaac is mo·no·ge·nes', from mo'nos, meaning "only," and gi'no·mai, a root word meaning "to generate," "to become (come into being)," states Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. Hence, mo·no·ge·nes' is defined as: "Only born, only begotten, i.e. an only child."—A Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament, by E. Robinson.

The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by Gerhard Kittel, says: "[Mo·no·ge·nes'] means 'of sole descent,' i.e., without brothers or sisters." This book also states that at John 1:18 ; 3:16 , 18 ; and 1 John 4:9 , "the relation of Jesus is not just compared to that of an only child to its father. It is the relation of the only-begotten to the Father." "

they are however dishonest with their quotes as usual.Here's what's actually written.

Thayer's Lexicon (Help)

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Jesus no longer really "a god"?

by M.J. in

i saw the latest wt magazine released this week.

i don't have it on me but on the cover it asks the question, "is there only one true god?".

skimming the story inside i noticed they quoted the verse in isaiah where it mentions there is only one god and there never was or will be a god alongside him.. "hmm," i wondered, "how will they reconcile this with john 1:1?".

corproal

Here's what I find rather pathetic reasoning.

How Much Was the Ransom?

ONE of the main reasons why Jesus came to earth also has a direct bearing on the Trinity. The Bible states: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."— 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 .

Jesus, no more and no less than a perfect human, became a ransom that compensated exactly for what Adam lost—the right to perfect human life on earth. So Jesus could rightly be called "the last Adam" by the apostle Paul, who said in the same context: "Just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive." ( 1 Corinthians 15:22 , 45 ) The perfect human life of Jesus was the "corresponding ransom" required by divine justice—no more, no less. A basic principle even of human justice is that the price paid should fit the wrong committed.

If Jesus, however, were part of a Godhead, the ransom price would have been infinitely higher than what God's own Law required. ( Exodus 21:23-25 ; Leviticus 24:19-21 ) It was only a perfect human, Adam, who sinned in Eden, not God. So the ransom, to be truly in line with God's justice, had to be strictly an equivalent—a perfect human, "the last Adam." Thus, when God sent Jesus to earth as the ransom, he made Jesus to be what would satisfy justice, not an incarnation, not a god-man, but a perfect man, "lower than angels." ( Hebrews 2:9 ; compare Psalm 8:5, 6 .) How could any part of an almighty Godhead—Father, Son, or holy spirit—ever be lower than angels?

This from their web-site.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_05.htm

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Do you support gay marriage?

by chappy in

is your belief moral, social or practical?

would you feel the same way if there were absolutely no religious influence on the matter pro or con?.

regardless of your belief, does every adult have a fundimental right to marry anyone of his or her choosing, regardless of gender?.

corproal

Would your support extend to multiple partners, ie: bigamy?
What about individuals wanting to "marry" non-humans? This question isn't meant to stir up dissent. Fact is there are individuals who will raise this issue in the future and it will have to be addressed.

This has nothing to do with gay marriage rights. Is this supposed to defend the "sacred act of matrimony"? By comparing gay marriage to bigamy and animals ( non humans? )

That's insulting and offensive and I do hope that wasn't your intent.

Dams

OOPs posted before I was ready. I don't see anything insulting in the comment highlighted above. The question posted is legit.Where do you draw the line concerning marriage? I for one don't support gay marriage,but if they allow it what can I do? I just get tired of hearing those in the gay community comparing themselves to blacks when it came to basic rights. Craig

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Do you support gay marriage?

by chappy in

is your belief moral, social or practical?

would you feel the same way if there were absolutely no religious influence on the matter pro or con?.

regardless of your belief, does every adult have a fundimental right to marry anyone of his or her choosing, regardless of gender?.

corproal

Would your support extend to multiple partners, ie: bigamy?
What about individuals wanting to "marry" non-humans? This question isn't meant to stir up dissent. Fact is there are individuals who will raise this issue in the future and it will have to be addressed.

This has nothing to do with gay marriage rights. Is this supposed to defend the "sacred act of matrimony"? By comparing gay marriage to bigamy and animals ( non humans? )

That's insulting and offensive and I do hope that wasn't your intent.

Dams

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NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH

by Raphael in

any one done some research on the above from a non jw view:.

some points of view suggest that at some point all the barriers that prohibit movement between the physical world and the spritual will be removed and that glorified bodies will allow us to materialize and dematerialize at will and to transfer as it were between the various dimensions that exist in our universe and beyond, and in this sense "god brings together all things in christ, both things on the earth and things in the heavens" and also in this sense new jerusalem comes down from heaven and god himself resides with them".. and so in this way also will those who dwell in the heavens enjoy access to the physical world in order to enjoy the whole of creation including the animal world.. .

any other points view ??.

corproal

G'day Nudeman,

I have done extensive research in this area as part of recovery from a destructive christian cult. Here are some truths that lead to everlasting secular freedom:

The Bible God was an invention of power hungry men.

Christ was an invention of apostate Paul.

Jerusalem is severly overated (I leave the explaination as to why the F^@# everyone from the French Fascists to Chinese Pentecostals are investing so much emotional energy in desiring to one day control that particular piece of crap real estate to those trained in the fine art of psychiatry.)

There ain't no sky daddy gona save us bro.

cheers unclebruce

PS: If you are a Biblenut, Brooklyn Scholar or Jesus Freak these brief pearls of wisdom just whistled through the old heavens waaay

What ever you say .

It is quite interesting to see some label others as nuts or Jesus Freaks. If you feel you don't need Jesus ,well that's how you feel,but to cast a label on those who may not feel the same as you is quite childish.

Is this what you do when others don't happen to share your viewpoints?

Craig(of the Jesus Freak Class)

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Speaking in tongues

by Stewart75 in

there's something which has crossed my mind too often, after doing some research, meeting people myself- i have become more convinced that speaking in tongues was mis interpretered wrongly by the pentecostals.

i would be interested to hear jw's view of speaking in tongues and why jehovah witness classify them as one of the christodom.

which of their any of their customs/traditions which bible doesnt support, i am just trying to make myself aware, with help if possible.. clarification would be much appreciated

corproal

You are correct in your interpretation of tongues.Many of these televagelists are what are commonly known as faith healers.I say they're crooks.

enough said.

Craig

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The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories - new - It Brings Bad Things to Life

by RunningMan in

it brings bad things to life

in the future, religious groups will get mad at me, thus boosting my book sales.

scott adams, the dilbert future., p 111.

corproal

IP_SEC,

I read every word Runningman posted.

It still boils down tohim blaming religion.