just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .
we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?
there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.
EXCELLENT POINT! - But who are the 24 elders then?
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron .....
Jesus Christ created the new Israel choosing Twelve Apostles
The Twelve Apostles are heads of twelve tribes the 144 000
The Jehovah's Witnesses has nothing to do with this!
do you have to believe in trinity, arianism, or other christ based concept etc to be saved?.
is believing jesus to be the messiah and following the model set forth in scripture enough?
or does one have to understand accurately the 'nature,essence, etc" of things..... if so why?
FlyingHighNow:
Universalism saves you from feeling pressure to save everyone.
just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .
we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?
there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.
In the still ongoing re-creation of the world.
Jesus Christ is the new Father!
The twelve apostles are the new twelve sons!
The 144 000 are the new twelve tribes!
All together they are the new Israel!
Jehovah's Witnesses has nothing to do with this!!!
To see this new kingdom you have to be re-created!
Jehovah's Witnesses are not born again, they are a part of the old world!
just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .
we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?
there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.
OK, here's the bombshell: In Matthew 19:28, Jesus tells his apostles that in "the re-creation" they would "sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
re-creation = re-birth
An ongoing spiritual event!
just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .
we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?
there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.
The first twelve tribes were the descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob (Israel)
The new twelve tribes are the spiritual descendants of the twelve apostles.
The twelve apostles (the little flock) are not the twelve spiritual tribes of Israel (other sheep)
just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .
we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?
there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.
The twelve apostles (the little flock) are not the twelve spiritual tribes of Israel (other sheep)
The twelve apostles are twelve foundations for a city with twelve gates bearing the names of the the twelve spiritual tribes of Israel (Revelation 21)
the wtb&ts has already shown clear signs of defeat which have been pointed out here very thoroughly.
those who cling to it have their own motivations, most of which are based in either self delusion, ignorance or plain old fear of shunning.
the majority of people in mainstream culture who even recognize the name, jehovah's witnesses, associate them with an annoying fundamentalist group who knock on your door to push their pamphlets.
The "horse" looks very dead to me. Was it ever alive?
will they remain dead or will they experience a collective spiritual resurrection, due to the fact that they sometimes hear jesus words, that again can resurrect the spiritually dead?
The Law and the Spirit by Paul
"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law
so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of
the written code."
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter
but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
"Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?"
"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law."
"Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit."
Jehovah's Witnesses as the Scribes and Pharisees have to be born of this Spirit to come alive! They are utterly dead.
will they remain dead or will they experience a collective spiritual resurrection, due to the fact that they sometimes hear jesus words, that again can resurrect the spiritually dead?
As the Scribes and Pharisees, Jehovah's Witnesses do not understand the words of Jesus Christ.
They are looking at Him through old testament glasses and cannot recognize Him or His kingdom.
They want a great warrior !
do you have to believe in trinity, arianism, or other christ based concept etc to be saved?.
is believing jesus to be the messiah and following the model set forth in scripture enough?
or does one have to understand accurately the 'nature,essence, etc" of things..... if so why?
You only need to know Jesus Christ and receive His Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ is present in his Church to this very day!
Communicate with Him and you will receive His Holy Spirit!
Remain in touch spiritually with Jesus Christ and live for ever!
