i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
"Scholar" asks:
What Gospel do you preach if you have one, Do you? If you are a Christian then how are you obeying Jesus' command at Mattjew 28:19, 20?
The Gospel of our Lord Christ Jesus promises Believers forgiveness of sin, justification in God's sight, reconciliation with our heavenly Father, and adoption as His sons (bzw. "children"). Please do read the book of Romans. It is this Scriptural Gospel I share with those I meet.
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
"Scholar" writes:
If the Witnesses are not the True Religion then where is it to found today? They have no coherent doctrine, no ministry, no brotherhood in short they have NOTHING to offer except ridicule and vile hatred of Truth, Justice and Christiian Freedom.
I HEARTILY AGREE. The Witnesses have NO coherent doctrine. Their "ministry" is condemned as a false Gospel (Gal. 1:8,9). The "brotherhood" is a fiction (John 13:34,35). The Watch Tower Society does indeed ridicule and hate Truth, Justice and Christian Freedom.
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
"DEFENSE" is spelled "DEFENCE" in Great Britain...
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
Reniaa stated:
hmmm it kinda depends how you define prophet, they have never actually given a date for armegeddon
Actually, they have:
the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty', which will end in AD 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." The Time Is At Hand, 1911 ed., p. 101.
End in 1914 (?) Already commenced (?)
While it was an agreeable surprise to us (in view of the contrary sensational accounts so often published) to find the situation in Europe as we here describe it--in harmony with what the Scriptures had led us to expect--yet so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances. The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. Thus far it has been chiefly a battle of words and a time of organizing forces --capital, labor, armies and secret societies.
Watch Tower, 15. January, 1892 (Reprints page 1355)
can anyone please give me a scan of the feb 15, 1927 wt, or directions on how to find it?...the quote is "this then would be a strong indication that some member of the new creation will be on earth at the time of armageddon".
the article i think is a similar teaching of the "new light" of who the "this generation" teaching is now...the fds................thanks.........oompa.
For further info: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/143844/1.ashx
scriptural foundation:(1 john 4:1) .
.beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with god, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.. (deuteronomy 18:22) 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that jehovah did not speak.
with presumptuousness the prophet spoke it.
Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’—February 15, 1981, page 19.
Actually, they did:
"Jehovah's prophetic word through Jesus Christ is: 'This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.' (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired an unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment."
--The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, pgs. 6-7 (Brackets in original)
yours for the taking.. it took some craptastic elders treating me like dirt and reading through coc to make my exit.
i no longer need or want these two books around, so am making them available to someone who would like them.
coc is fourth edition.
Why not donate them to the local Library?
Those books would probably do more good there than with any of us.
Just a thought...
i am wondering if an elder's wife cheated on him, is it possible that he can remain as an elder?
What the deuce!!! Sometimes a cheating Elder will stay on as a "spirit-appointed adulterer"...
i'm quizzing all my sources for the ultimate "silver-bullet" question for a jw at your door.
the best questions will be used in a video series on watchtower comments.
the goal is to help people respond to jws.. the question must be direct and designed to open the jw mind, not necessarily to win an argument.. i would prefer to avoid doctrinal debate such as trinity, cross, even thiest/athiest subjects.
(Recycled old post [23. Oct. 2006]:)
W 01. April 1986 QfR:Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878 -- a teaching not altered until 1927 -- and which teaching the WTS now rejects as false. Does it not bugger the imagination to believe the Lord appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'?
q 1, 2. how did you feel when you became convinced that what you were learning about jehovah was the .
truth?.
what convinced you of the truth?
Oh, yes, paragraphs 9 & 10 really resonated with me. How grateful I am that our loving heavenly Father and His Son led me away from the Watchtower... And "no one can take that conviction away from [me]."
