LOL yeah perhaps. I wonder if this takes into consideration those who had to be ...ummmm loved out (DF). What do we need for a .1% of 1,000,000? Sounds about the amount that would be DF eh?
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9Jehovah's Kingdom growth report for 2004
by FDS insitting in the hall the past week i noticed the annual report and being the avid reader i looked at the report for the usa which i found most interesting.
1,019,696 faithful ministers of jehovah's kingdom spent 189,740,398 hours witnessing, conducted 519,648 bible studies with 0% growth!
how much increase does one need to even have a .1% growth?
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Have you ever asked an elder...
by homme perdu inhow and when did the wtbs determined they were the faithful discreet slave?
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"All you witnesses had better stop thinking of bible verses as being stand alone proofs. You must understand context. Who was speaking? Who was being spoken to? Why? Just because someguys up in brooklyn call themselves the FDS dont make it so."
I think us "thinking bros" know that the organization only CLAIMS to be the Faithful Slave, not that they are REALLY the "Slave".
But that does bring other interesting questions to mind, who says that this is even talking about what everyone has claimed? We know here by context that Jesus refers to his followers as a "whole". Funny Russell said that he did not see two classes of people in God's kingdom yet the Watchtower certainly has a "clergy and laity" class today, the clergy being the 144,000 and other sheep of earth bound wanna bees (Laity).......Yikes
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Jehovah's Kingdom growth report for 2004
by FDS insitting in the hall the past week i noticed the annual report and being the avid reader i looked at the report for the usa which i found most interesting.
1,019,696 faithful ministers of jehovah's kingdom spent 189,740,398 hours witnessing, conducted 519,648 bible studies with 0% growth!
how much increase does one need to even have a .1% growth?
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Sitting in the hall the past week I noticed the annual report and being the avid reader I looked at the report for the USA which I found most interesting.
1,019,696 faithful ministers of Jehovah's kingdom spent 189,740,398 hours witnessing, conducted 519,648 bible studies with 0% growth! How much increase does one need to even have a .1% growth? Certainly sitting there listening to Mr Overseer tell us how "short the time is remaining" we would see some increase? In fact most english speaking nations report the same growth. So you publishes, put down the nintendo and get going door to door! How many sheeplike ones have you forsaken for a good movie? Time is so short the Bros in Brooklyn tell us. Are you really working hard enough for mother? Will your current preaching activity measure up to Jehovah's New World standard?
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Have you ever asked an elder...
by homme perdu inhow and when did the wtbs determined they were the faithful discreet slave?
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Or one more from a book we all know and loved
"You can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth" page 193
"...On his return in Kingdom power in the year 1914, did Christ find a "faithful and discreet slave" class providing spiritual "food," or information? Yes, he found such a "slave" made up of the remaining ones on earth of his 144,000 brothers. (Rev 12:10; 14:1, 3) And since 1914 millions of persons have accepted the "food" they provide, and have begun practicing true religion along with them. This organization of God?s servants is known as Jehovah?s Witnesses..."
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Have you ever asked an elder...
by homme perdu inhow and when did the wtbs determined they were the faithful discreet slave?
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Dos,
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Knowledge That Leads to Everlasting Life book
Chap: 17
THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE
3 Relief supplies are generally dispensed through an organized channel, and Jehovah has similarly made spiritual provision for his people. For example, the Israelites were "Jehovah?s congregation" for some 1,500 years. Among them were those who served as God?s channel to teach his law. (1 Chronicles 28:8; 2 Chronicles 17:7-9) In the first century C. E., Jehovah brought forth the Christian organization. Congregations were formed, and they functioned under the direction of a governing body made up of apostles and older men. (Acts 15:22-31) likewise today, Jehovah deals with his people through an organized body. How do we know this? 4 Jesus said that at the time of his presence in Kingdom power, "the faithful and discreet slave" would be found providing "food at the proper time" for His followers. (Matthew 24:45-47) When Jesus was installed as heavenly King in 1914, who did this "slave" prove to be? Certainly not the clergy of Christendom. For the most part, they were feeding their flocks propaganda that backed up their own national governments in World War I. But proper and timely spiritual food was being dispensed by the group of true Christians who were anointed by God?s holy spirit and were a part of what Jesus called the "little flock." (Luke 12:32) These anointed Christians preached God?s kingdom rather than man?s governments. As a result, over the years millions of righteously disposed "other sheep" have joined the anointed "slave" in practicing true religion. (John:10:16) Using the "faithful slave" and it?s present-day Governing Body, God directs his organized people to make spiritual food, clothing, and shelter available to all who wish to have these provisions.Dos, is this clear enough for you? If not I have many other quotes that "prove" beyond all doubt that they do...
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Study conductor claims the "WTS is not the FDS"...and other JW affirmations
by M.J. ini am currently following the ongoing saga of a person who is studying to be a jw and her unbelieving husband's attempts to sway her in this endeavor.
he has gotten her to read cofc and she's halfway through it, but nonetheless, she remains bound to the jws and wants to continue her persuit.
he has tried to call into question that the wts could have been appointed by jesus as the "faithful, discreet slave", but the person she is studying with flat out told her that jws do not believe that jesus chose the wts as the fds and, that they don't believe that they are the one chosen religion/church.
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The publisher conducting the book study is perhaps ignorant OR is indeed speaking sideways. I find this interesting because the Watchotwer certainly would not change this teaching. How else would anyone believe them as Jehovah's channel? The proof is in the writings. The standard is always the newest teaching "aid" which happens to be the "Knowledge that leads to Everlasting Life" which on page 160 paragraph 3 CLEARLY states that this slave IS the Watchtower Society and that Jehovah God has always used a organized channel to dispense spiritual food. So bring out the book and have him read it. Ask him IF he has another official QUOTE from the Society's publications concerning his "strange" stance and new teaching. He will most likely run ;D
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Have you ever asked an elder...
by homme perdu inhow and when did the wtbs determined they were the faithful discreet slave?
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"How and when did the WTBS determined they were the faithful discreet slave?" I think you can say for certain that Mr Mc Millian had a big part in this teaching. When Brother Russell died they thought that nothing more could be brought forth in relation to further scripture light because that servant was dead. So in 1916 Russell died, but did he not start the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society for the purpose of feeding the Lord's children? What happened was Mc Millian convinced Rutherford that this Society was to REPLACE Russell as "that servant", no longer towards an individual but the Society itself. Who was left after Russell in the feeding of his domestics? The Society organized by him and appointed from the Lord. Truth is the Editorial Committee by Russell in his will acted like a Governing Body until 1932 when Rutherford assumed total control by himself. There was no GB like we know today till much later although there were "helpers" but it was Rutherford who held all the keys who called all the shots. Today, namely after the big shakeup at Brooklyn in the early 80s the president lost this power, Franz was not at all happy with this but being the good JW (Bless his little heart) he went along because he had too. It's almost laughable how the current GB tell the story about their appointement, like a GB was always there back in 1914. Truth is the only spokesperson at that time was Russell. So now they hide these facts and print that Jesus really did found a slave class upon his return in Kingdom power and appointed this slave class over all his belongings. They have in essense did what hitler did, re-written their own history to place themselves in a position of authority of all Jehovah's Witnesses. FDS
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Have you ever asked an elder...
by homme perdu inhow and when did the wtbs determined they were the faithful discreet slave?
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" Originaly Russell was the Faithfull and Discreet Slave. Russell himself would not admit it but NEVER said he was not.. After Russell's death the seventh volume of Studies in the Scriptures clearly said Russell was the FDS. Rutherford began to change many of Russell's teachings. As part of Rutherford's take over of the Bible Students in the late teens and the early 20's he claimed the WBTS through its directors were the FDS. " Hello Robert, Actually it went like this. In 1879 Russell did believe that the servant mentioned in Matt: 24:24 was a class, composed of all Jehovah's servants (the whole body). In 1897 or there abouts he changed his mind and started to teach that this servant was now an individual. It's easy to see simply pick up his volume 4 of Millennial Dawn or Studies in the Scriptures page 613 and see for yourself. He also claimed that this servant would be very humble and would be replaced if he failed in his duties. In a 1904 wt, he stated again that the servant was an individual, not a class. As for "claiming" to be the servant, he certainly DID although the organiztion clearly covers up this fact and even Bro Mc Millian lies about this in "Faith on the march". In two places he claimed privately to be "that servant", one in the Studies in the Scriptures volume 1 page 7 of his "Biography" and in the "Finished Mystery" makes mention of Russell in private admitting to being so. It is also clear that he never denied being that servant, he published letters in HIS watchtower praising him as being that servant and even the 1911 Convention report supported starting in that very year by the Society calls Russell the Faithful and wise servant giving to the household meat in due season. FDS
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Am I a bad person to ask Why?
by rockhound inin the light of thinking that i am a person of reason, having a measure of good sense, and not wanting to go against the flow of the main stream, i now look back and wonder "why did it take me 40 years to wake up and smell the roses" about the organization?
when the big fiasco, and i mean big fiasco, of 1975 came and went, didn't i know down deep that i had been chasing "parked cars" spiritually?
with my spiritual nose bleeding i just hung in there with the rest and didn't make a fuss.
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Itsallgoodnow,
Maybe I was a bit harsh in a few replys but calling someone a "moron" is doing the exact thing you accuse me of dear, if you dsire one to listen openly then please leave the name calling at home, I called no names here.
Ok, looking back over this thread I should have not let MY personal feelings get the best of me in regards to Rock. After all, we do all share a common something don't we? It was not my intentions on my first reply to get into "your resasons are less than others" only that knowing how Witnesses think, this 75 thing is old news, very old news and I got the impression that he just left because of it.
Anyways how I was and am now is not to be found on a WWW web site with a bunch of hidden names. I am not going to fall into the trap of self destruction fighting over this anymore. frankly I wish I could say that I really care about what you think of me personally, it does not matter. I've never been one to not speak my mind EVEN if others do not see it my way. I am man enough to know that I gave a bad impression here but I still hold my ground about personal responsibility for OUR ACTIONS.
Good day
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Am I a bad person to ask Why?
by rockhound inin the light of thinking that i am a person of reason, having a measure of good sense, and not wanting to go against the flow of the main stream, i now look back and wonder "why did it take me 40 years to wake up and smell the roses" about the organization?
when the big fiasco, and i mean big fiasco, of 1975 came and went, didn't i know down deep that i had been chasing "parked cars" spiritually?
with my spiritual nose bleeding i just hung in there with the rest and didn't make a fuss.
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I KNOW what the organization has said about 1975, no need to tell me. You all are talking like it is so clear NOW but so unlcear back when you were active? I tend to think that if one was so moved to leave the WT over a date that would see an end to the work then they were working towards that alone, THEY desired the world to end and when it failed they felt like all the work that was done was a waste. Yeah I question motives, you bet ya. Not all witnesses left for "good reasons" yet the mentality is any reason is better than no reason" but that does not MEAN that the Witness is now a good person anymore than he was being in a cult. Am I happy that Rock left? SURE but I find it amazing how most of the Ex JWs a praise each other regardless of their involvement in the Organization, what they have done to promote the Watchtower and when it was personally dissapointing (No end of the present wicked system of things) they then see the "light" that the Watchtower has lead them down a wrong road. Again, not one WITNESS takes any blame for his actions, it's all the bad-cultic-organization's fault, we were blinded by the light, "How were we to know". Take responsibility in your actions but do not preach to me about my responces on a public message board being unkind or unfriendly. Unlike the Kingdom Hall we can talk about our feelings openly, you don't have to like what I say but I will say it regardless.
Rock, I am glad you left, I really am but do others who do not at present share your feelings about leaving, there are 1,019,000, active Jehovah's Witnesses still stuck in the Watchtower who have not let "75" bother them enough to leave. Sure many did who spent their time preaching the end was soon but this falls on deaf ears now. What it seems to me is that it takes a PERSONAL issue of sorts to cause the questioning in the first place. It's just that you are out, it's time you share more than "75", certainly after 40 years you have seen other things that will effect (help) others who might be reading this web site. Remember how you felt and thought of folks like yourself when you were active, it's an easy thing to see lies and falsehoods once you are out but you already know the "Wait on Jehovah" syndrom effecting current memebers. If we are to reach others then we need to meet them as THEY are, not as WE ARE.
Peace
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