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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

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  besty

  Again i gave advice that you should learn to quote so your responses are more accurate

  the yellow bits in my posts are direct quotes from your posts - see above for an example.

  especialy when you have such a hard time putting forth a simple response (1000 vs 10000)

  It's not difficult. Climate responds to the dominant forcing at the time. In the past that has been several different things. Today it is human activity.

  We are not the only thing affecting the climate, but we are the dominating effect. 97% of climate scientists are convinced by the evidence that this is a true statement of reality - ie a fact.

  You, because of your perception of government inaction, choose to believe that this makes climate science wrong.

  Lets not forget how you started (not the bit about fat people watching TV, that was later):

  Climate change has been with us since the beginning of time. In fact it happens everyday (we call it day when it gets warmer, and night when it cools). As you note nothing is constant, cycles of various kinds appear and increase or decrease temp.

  This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding on your part about climate. Climate change is not night turning to day. It is not cyclical. It doesn't just heat up and cool down globally because the planet acts like some sort of pendulum. I think you were off school the day that Ice Ages were explained. Climate responds to the dominant forcing at the time.

  Clear?
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

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  besty

  Without looking further into what those 97% actually wrote we cant tell. As always the site mentioned is written for 10 year olds and low on details

  Do the work. Its all there. http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-advanced.htm
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

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  besty

  Im being honest i am not a scientist but i am trying to examine the data which should be relatively simple.

  You have already made up your mind what you believe. A simple explanation has been provided, along with supporting information.

  Either you are a troll, you are of low intelligence or you are an anti-science ideologue. Or maybe a hybrid.

  Thanks mP - I appreciate the opportunity to appraise everyone else of the facts.
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

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  besty

  You adopt your scientific beliefs based on what the government appears to be (not) doing?

  stuff goes up AND down. There are a zillion factors, im not a scientist and its far more cmplex than the simplifications presented here.

  Really? It is simplified here because I am not an expert and you are a simpleton,

  so it makes sense to approach it this way :-)

  Like i said if it were that simple and the future waas that grim then surely one gov would change their ways but there hasnt been one.

  And on that basis you will disregard the work of 97% of climate scientists, despite admitting its a complex subject and you are not a scientist?

  OK. Got it.

  This is not an unusual situation. The number of scientists who believe in evolution compared to the general public is similarly out of sync.

  Basically you have an anti-science approach to life, and thats OK - just so we are all clear on how things look to you. You are entitled to your own beliefs and opinions, but not your own facts.
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

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  2. 
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  besty

  You wold do better to actually quote and reply so your answers make are more faithful to what i state.

  tnaks for the avdice on spllings grammir and fomrat - much appcited!
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

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  2. 
  3. 
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  besty

  Before we go down the government in(action) rabbit hole pls answer my question:

  If you chose to hold a minority view (3%) then you should explain why you know better than 97% of climate scientists. I haven't seen your explanation yet.
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

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  2. 
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  besty

  YOu show me a 100 years of temps as proof, and say thats proves it but when i look back 10000 years thats not enough there are excuses. That hardly sounds solid and your selective authority to some data and not others seems weak.

  No actually - the graphs I presented were in rebuttal to your cherry-picked claim that Australian weather over the last few years had been "the least hot" as if that somehow is of interest in the context of climate change over decades.

  Climate has varied indefinitely - I didn't offer excuses - I presented the reasons for the scientific consensus on why climate has varied. if you chose to interpret that as 'excuses' then that is your ideology coming into focus.

  I asked why is it different this time and why is it a calamity this time round and why are we blaming man kind almost exclusively. Theres a difference.

  I have already provided an answer in the form of a link http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-natural-cycle.htm
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  besty

  Isnt real science looking at data and understanding what it says,

  yes it is - climate change theory is very well understood with a high degree of certainty as to causes. If you chose to hold a minority view (3%) then you should explain why you know better than 97% of climate scientists. I haven't seen your explanation yet.
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  besty

  Lets be clear - the burden of proof is with you as you hold a minority (3%) opinion.

  So yes I can legitimately appeal to authority, as the 97% are recognised experts and hold a consensus view.

  Again - what is your basis for holding a 3% opinion?

  You cant actually take a look at any data and talk it thru.

  You have asked why temperature has varied over geologic time frames before human activity. I have explained how that works, and provided links for further reading.
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  Recent Global Cooling Controversy

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

  climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

  however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  besty

  97% is the number of climate scientists that accept the consensus opinion that human activity causes climate change and global warming.

  http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-advanced.htm