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  ex-jw-uk

  by bigmac in

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  2. friends

  i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

  i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

  i've already found several by reading older posts..

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  besty

  SE London here...
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  UK TV--next monday 24th aug---channel 5-----9 pm--escaping the witnesses

  by stan livedeath in

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  2. friends

  just see it advertised on tv--with photo of our friend from south wales

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  besty

  http://www.channel5.com/shows/inside-scientology-and-escaping-the-witnesses
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  August Awake on DNA... A (probably somewhat informal) proof of incorrect logic

  by cognisonance in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i sometimes look at articles still to see what my parents are learning and how that frames their view of me (former member, atheist, computational evolutionary researcher).. anyway for the proof using propositional logic:.

  p = information.

  q = attributed to intelligence and not mindless processes..

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  besty

  "As is often the case, when scientists explain one mystery, they open a door to another."

  This sentence prepares the reader for the insertion of "god must have done it" into the newly created mystery gap.

  It also smacks of an argument from ignorance - ie we can't (won't) explain this 'mystery' therefore god.

  With a slight hint of poisoning the well and a complete disrespect for the scientific method with the 'as is often the case' insult at the start.

  What a piece of work these writers are...
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  August Awake on DNA... A (probably somewhat informal) proof of incorrect logic

  by cognisonance in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i sometimes look at articles still to see what my parents are learning and how that frames their view of me (former member, atheist, computational evolutionary researcher).. anyway for the proof using propositional logic:.

  p = information.

  q = attributed to intelligence and not mindless processes..

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  besty

  what did the awake actually say that was problematic for you? can you provide a quote pls.
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  News Which UK J.W.'s Won't Get in their Kigdom Ministry!

  by The Searcher in

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  2. scandals

  a source tells me the following: .

  for shropshire uk by the name of anthony manning has been removed and judicially reproved.

  portishead congregation in north somerset is being merged or disbanded on sept 1st 2015 due to "aging elders, poor attendance, decrepit kingdom hall and landslip" - of course the suspicion is wt just wants to sell the hall off.

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  besty

  was the public reproof announced all over the circuit? (officially I mean, clearly it was gossiped all over the circuit and beyond...)
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  Today's WT glancing at the opposite sex is flirting and therefore immortality

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in today's wt study it makes the point that just glancing at the opposite sex is flirting and can lead to sex!.

  so are jw's now to wear blinkers?.

  also jw's are told to go and confess to the elders if they have any immoral thoughts?!!.

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  besty

  it would be great if you were able to paste a quote from the WT if making a point so we can see exactly what was written.
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  Western Decline is a Reality - 2015 Memorial Attendance

  by berrygerry in

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  2. beliefs

  as has been observed in western congos, the decline is real.. usa is 12.475 % less -2015 vs 2014.

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  besty

  2010 -> 2015 memorial attendance figures = +2.9% over the complete 5 year period or a CAGR (compound annual growth rate) of 0.57%

  assumed US population* compound annual growth rate over the same period is 0.9%

  The Jehovahs Witness religion is in decline if it can't even keep pace with population growth,

  *https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-01.pdf
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  Drum Article written by JWFacts

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here's a link written by paul grundy and presented by abc the drum.

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-10/grundy-flaws-in-jehovahs-witness/6680286 .

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  besty

  @jwfacts - you have to get a selfie with Jackson - that would be awesome - we can have a great caption contest with that...
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  If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?

  by jwleaks in

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  2. child-abuse

  what question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?

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  besty

  1 - Would you point me to the scriptural basis for 3 men examining and cross-examining victims and alleged perpetrators of serious crimes in closed door religious courts, without impartial witnesses to that process?

  2 - Where in the Bible does it mention child sex abuse?

  Possible answers - "it doesn't directly reference so we take bible principles blah blah blah..." in which case Angus Stewart puts it to the GB that the JW's are therefore making their own interpretation...

  (the only example I could find was the rape of Tamar by her half-brother Amnon, and guess what advice her brother Absalom gave her after the crime had been committed? yep - keep it quiet...

  But when she brought them near him to eat, he took hold of her, and said to her, ‘Come, lie with me, my sister.’ She answered him, ‘No, my brother, do not force me; for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do anything so vile!…But he would not listen to her; and being stronger than she was, he forced her and lay with her…Her brother Absalom said to her, ‘Has Amnon your brother been with you? Be quiet for now, my sister; he is your brother; do not take this to heart.’ So Tamar remained, a desolate woman, in her brother Absalom’s house. – 2 Samuel 13:11-12, 14, 20
  

  3 - Do you hear voices in your head, or how does it work being directed by God?

  4 - Have you seen or read the evidence given by the Australia Branch members? Do you agree all their evidence as to procedure and practice in matters concerning child sex abuse accurately represents the wishes of the Jehovahs Witness Governing Body?
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  WT Lawyer trying to force His Honour to allow Miss Apple to garner more info showing how good WT is

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hello to all who are watching.

  his honour is being tested by wt lawyer in the last thirty minutes of day 4. the lawyer wants to bring in updates on the societies handling of child molestation cases.. his honour tells the lawyer that if he "lawyer" wants a contest between who is better than who....forget it.. his honour is slightly pissed off as wt lawyer just won't back down and insists that this evidence is very important and........"progressive" ( i think ) his honour then continues to tell nice wt jerk type lawyer, that if he thinks this will dispel all that happened to past victims..........think again.. i rough summary but fairly accurate people......god, that wt lawyer is a hateful lying, scheming son of a bitch........

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  besty

  I haven't got the transcript to hand but from memory the Judge finished up by saying something like "whoever makes a submission such as you have suggested should be aware they are missing the point" - legend!