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WTS Kingdom Hall Asset Grab

by Ultimate Reality in

many here are familiar with the wts request to "hold" the cash funds of congregations so that a higher rate of interest can be earned, not for the local congregation benefit, but for the society to use in the worldwide work.

in particular, the funds are loaned, with interest, to other congregations that need to build or remodel halls.. .

however, a new opportunity has presented itself to the wts.. .

besty

In view of the Charity Commission consultation that situation may change though?

Hi MM - I think the consultation period is long gone and now it remains to be seen how the Commission will intepret 'public benefit' especially in the light of any complaints they receive about harmful behaviour.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/154354/1.ashx

The best thing an individual JW or ex-JW can do is write to the Commission outlining the harmful effects they have personally suffered due to WTS teachings and policies, with the appropriate WTS quotes to back up your points.

Example:

Wrong approach - The Watchtower teaches disfellowshipping. This is not in the Bible. The Greek word in 1 Thess. 5:13 is the same as the word in 1 Cor. 148:392 and in one the WT translates it to mean marking and in another it means shunning and the prodigal son didn't have to sit at the back for 6 months and blah blah blah.

The Commission is not interested in doctrinal interpretations, it's not there to adjudicate on religious differences.

Right approach: (IMHO) - My wife and I were disfellowshipped from lifetime membership of the JW religion for being in disagreement with some of their teachings. These teachings included denying babies life-saving medical care and refusing to treat child abuse as a crime with full and open cooperation with the police.<insert media links> Being disfellowshipped means our entire social network and immediate JW family refuse to speak to us or have any normal social interaction unless we recant and submit to their intentionally degrading and humiliating quasi-judicial process. In fact they are encouraged to hate us. <Insert WT quote describing hating apostates like snakes etc> I believe that disfellowshipping and the incitement to hatred is a form of psychological torture and is in breach of Article 1, amongst many others, of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Along with the other issues mentioned - banning certain forms of normal medical treatment and ongoing organisationally sponsored child abuse coverups - I belive the WTS are practising wilful harmful behaviour against their current and ex-members. For that reason I urge the Commision to open a full investigation into the WTS etc etc

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BIG NEWS - UK Gov't to Stop Watchtower Blood Teaching?

by skeeter1 in

this below just came up on the wire and is higher in rank than the globe articlethe watchtower is going into spin control overtimehttp://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?newsid=1725new rules could threaten charity status of jehovah's witnesses.

religious intelligence ltd, uk - 19 minutes ago.

several jehovahs witnesses charities in the uk expressed concern that the draft guidance could affect their beliefs on blood transfusion.

besty

bttt

I think we should keep this debate going. Any more thoughts on:

E4. Principle 1c Benefits must be balanced against any detriment or harm

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jefferywhats original post

by isaacaustin in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

besty

1. Bethel in NY suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

I have this confirmed by ultra-reliable sources. The sources post on JWD so if they chose to they could post more details.

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WTS Kingdom Hall Asset Grab

by Ultimate Reality in

many here are familiar with the wts request to "hold" the cash funds of congregations so that a higher rate of interest can be earned, not for the local congregation benefit, but for the society to use in the worldwide work.

in particular, the funds are loaned, with interest, to other congregations that need to build or remodel halls.. .

however, a new opportunity has presented itself to the wts.. .

besty

In England and Wales each congregation is registered separately as an individual Charity. In the case where the KH is an asset owned without debts I would assume the charity holds the asset. So for a London cong who are sitting on a multi-million GBP asset it would be interesting to see what happens if the cong was dissolved.

"Brothers we are selling the KH for 2 million pounds - there are 100 publishers - where do you want us to send your 20k check?"

Not gonna happen.

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myspace...

by Priest73 in

jw
friends

some of you may have received myspace invites from me over the last day or so... thanks for the accepts.

pm me if you're skeptical...

-p73

besty

feel free to friend me http://www.myspace.com/poddyone

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Do you think an unofficial BS arrangement might pop up?

by 5go in

you people grouping together to study the wt books at first for the meetings.. this is the reason i am still kind of leaning toward gas prices in the us as the real reason.. the gb and wt are really blind as to seeing what people are really going to do with that free night..

besty

Unofficial group studies are already banned - Sep 2007 KM saw to that

http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=32302_09-07QuestionBox_122_66lo.jpg

Thus, "the faithful and discreet slave" does not endorse any literature, meetings or websites that are not produced or organised under its oversight. Matt. 25:45-47

Its our ball and you're not playing with it 'cos we said so.

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More "new light"? Has anyone got the July 15th WT yet?

by slimboyfat in

i hear there is more "new light" in this magazine.

nothing as big as the "generation" change or scrapping 1935 for the annointed.

it might be something to do with some of jesus' parables.

besty

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/144583/1.ashx

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using humour with cult members

by besty in

folks i needs some input on this subject.. i have 3 family members who are shunning me due to their jw belief system and i would like to prime some non-jw relatives on the use of humour to reach out to them.. its not right imho to poke personal fun or be sarcastic or unkind about their belief system so what do we do?.

any suggestions on how humour can be used in this way?.

garybuss + dogpatch - you guys are the experts - please advise......

besty

Unfortunately cult members take jokes and humour about their beliefs about as well as a frontal attack!

Agreed - they run @ -459.67F degrees of humour when it comes to their beliefs, and yet they have a normal distribution curve of humour capacity as the rest of the population.

My question is how to reach out to them using humour....

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using humour with cult members

by besty in

folks i needs some input on this subject.. i have 3 family members who are shunning me due to their jw belief system and i would like to prime some non-jw relatives on the use of humour to reach out to them.. its not right imho to poke personal fun or be sarcastic or unkind about their belief system so what do we do?.

any suggestions on how humour can be used in this way?.

garybuss + dogpatch - you guys are the experts - please advise......

besty

Folks I needs some input on this subject.

I have 3 family members who are shunning me due to their JW belief system and I would like to prime some non-JW relatives on the use of humour to reach out to them.

Its not right IMHO to poke personal fun or be sarcastic or unkind about their belief system so what do we do?

Any suggestions on how humour can be used in this way?

GaryBuss + Dogpatch - you guys are the experts - please advise.....

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Could the Internet be Partially Responsible for the Change in BS?

by AK - Jeff in

here is my reasoning on this:.

many seem to think - and apparently the society has even stated now in so many words - that they wish to lessen the 'burden' on the brotherhood by elimination of the additional night of meeting attendance.

oh, sure, they threw out some bullshit about the price of gas - we all know that is a load.

besty

My own tuppence worth: (actually a cut and paste from jwfacts.com)

William J Schell writes about the transition from Christ to organization in 30 Years a Watchtower Slave Abridged Edition 2001. In 1926 “No longer, as in the old Bible Student days were we following the command of Jesus in Matthew 28:19-20 to disciple the nations for Christ, to become Christians. … They had better get in with us as God’s Organization or suffer the consequences which would automatically accrue to Satan’s organization in Armageddon!” (p.69) “Home Bible study was discontinued for Book studies, with the Societies books and textbooks in place of the Bible, and the Bible relegated to a position where it was restricted almost exclusively to reference use.” (p.101)

http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/where.htm

So perhaps there is a 'genuinely motivated' theological shift by the younger GB to get back to the early days of the Org with more focus on the Bible. Side benefit - its costs a lot less than producing yet more books and they have nothing new to say anyway it appears. It would be great if new light would flash up so we could have some deeper theological critique.