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  Jesus Christ! Is this a contradiction?

  by observador in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the other day while rereading the scriptures about the last supper, i spotted something that is very interesting.. mathew 26:23 reads:"in reply he said: "he that dips his hand with me in the bowl is the one that will betray me.".

  the above doesn't make much sense to me because it implies that one would have to give himself away by doing exacly what jesus said the betrayor would do.

  now, look at how john words the same event in john 13:26:"therefore jesus answered: "it is that one to whom i shall give the morsel that i dip".

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  Spook

  Jesus? Oh, you mean Mithras.
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  Mom said we would still be family regardless of my decision

  by M@el5trom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  first, a little background.

  i lurk here from time to time, generally if i am feeling down or having trouble with something re: jws.

  i have not been to a meeting for over a year now, and neither has my wife.

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  Lucky you! I'm DA'ng on moral grounds. Nobody has done anything against me in the org. I'm worried my Dad might have *another* nervous breakdown!
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  Chapter 14 - Dread Unabridged Details from the new OD Book

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the complete text from chapter 14 of organized to do jehovah's will.

  prepare to hear more about "sifting" from the org.... .

  chapter 14. maintaining the peace and cleanness of the congregation.

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  The society has disassociated themselves by their involvement with the UN.
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  Does disfellowshipping work?

  by what_Truth? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going to conduct a little pseudoscientific experiment here.

  my hope is to prove without a doubt that disfellowshipping causes more problems for the jw's than it solves.

  to do this i will ask all of you who voluntarily left: .

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  Spook

  You get a bonus of two answers:

  I'm not Df'd, and I'm leaving as a stand for the survival of the world - against religious fundamentalism, pessimism, and intolerance.

  However, Df'ing does not work as anything other than a fear to keep people in the organization who don't really want to be there. Df'ing a 'repentant' person does nothing but damage them emotionally. Df'ing an unrepentant person does nothing - for them. It promotes unity (i.e. control) in the congregation.

  This world needs community, not control; leadership, not power; growth, not fear.
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  I have decided to sit down and talk with a JW any advice?

  by MM090503 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i know i just made one post, but i have another.. after the conversation with my bf tonight, i finally gave in and said i would sit down with a jw.

  i don't beleive the bs for one moment.

  i don't see the point in doing this, but if it will make my bf happy i'm willing to do it.

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  1. How do you know the governing body exists?

  1.a. Have you met them?

  1.b. Could you identify them if you passed them in the street?

  1.c. Could you call them on the telephone?

  1.d. If we drove to NYC, would we be allowed to talk to them?

  2. Since the claim that one has a 'special relationship with god(s)' is an extraordinary claim, it requires extraordinary proof. What extraordinary proof do you have that an anonymously written magazine supposedly authored under the guidance of a dozen old men a thousand miles away who you can not possibly have a personal conversation with, offers any form of 'truth?'

  2.a. A fair way to analyze a claim of special access to truth would be to examine...

  2.b. Have they been true/false about what they say of the past? (bible prophecy, 607, global deluge in 2300 BCE, bible absurdities, innerancy, evolution...)

  2.c. Are they true/false about what they say in the present? (statistical misrepresentation on 'last days', dishonest claims about the state of religion in the world, bad use of quotes, improper portrayal of opponents.)

  2.d. Do their claims about the future seem valid to a majority of reasonable, unbiased people? (Common sense.)

  3. With these understandings in mind, is there anything left that amounts to more than an alternative interpretation of an unclear text?
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  Help me prove to my bf that defellowshipping happens

  by MM090503 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hi all.. many of you have probably seen my posts on here before, but if you haven't let me reinterate my story in short for you.. i am currently dating a wonderful guy, but the problem is he has been considering becoming a jw.

  he has studdied with them for about a year.

  because of me has agreed to do some religion searching and figure out what he really believes.

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  Visit me with him in Chicago in a week. Nobody will meet my eyes!
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  Example of bait-and-switch logic.

  by Spook in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the watchtower website article on propaganda:.

  "however, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking.

  how can we find the right balance?

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  Spook

  From the Watchtower website article on propaganda:

  "However, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking. How can we find the right balance? By adopting a standard with which to measure new information. Here a Christian has a source of great wisdom. He has the Bible as a sure guide for his thinking. On the one hand, his mind is open, that is, receptive to new information. He properly weighs such new information against the Bible standard and fits what is true into his pattern of thinking. On the other hand, his mind sees the danger of information that is entirely inconsistent with his Bible-based values."

  The bait = Claim established for consider facts, importance of standard of judging.

  The switch = The bible is a "sure guide"

  No proof has been given. It has been a linguistic dance to cheer-lead the way to the bible.
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  Scholar, 607 and Evolutionary Change

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have recently done an about-face on their teachings about god, the bible, creation and evolution, and are about to announce major changes in their teachings on these things.

  on their website, they say that "faith in god is merely an emotional experience.

  " "god is not an explanation" of the universe, they now teach.. as regards the question of origins, "our universe is all a matter of chance.

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  Spook

  Haha! The best lessons are demonstrations.
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  Memorial

  by Lehaa in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  had other things to deal with.. .

  i was just wonder ing whose going to the memorial this year.. i got this email from my uncle today and i've decided i'm going only so my kids can see their family.

  if you love jehovah miss your extended family want your children to have everlasting life its not hypocritical.

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  Spook

  I'm going because it's the last meeting I'm going to attend.
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  Scholar, 607 and Evolutionary Change

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have recently done an about-face on their teachings about god, the bible, creation and evolution, and are about to announce major changes in their teachings on these things.

  on their website, they say that "faith in god is merely an emotional experience.

  " "god is not an explanation" of the universe, they now teach.. as regards the question of origins, "our universe is all a matter of chance.

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  Spook

  Alan,

  Is this an exercise in misquotation? I can't find any of these on the site. A metalogue? Brilliantly enacted if so. If not, please do send url.

  Spook