LongHairGal

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  How did you feel after writing a Disassociation letter?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i might do it one day.

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  LongHairGal

  LAMALLCOOL:

  Over the years there have been very many discussions on this forum about this topic. I’m sure in the future there will be more since this question comes up every now and then.

  There are two schools of thought. Either a person does a ‘Fade’ or they ‘Disassociate’. Both are correct in the sense one is not more ‘right’ than the other. It depends entirely on the circumstances of the persons involved. I can see the reasons for both. I have always admired those who have written a DA letter and especially admire those who are able to do it like the poster JEFF above. Others choose to ‘Fade’ because they have JW family or friends.

  What’s sad is when some people DA (possibly because they acted rashly) and sound angry at people who do a ‘Fade’, imagining they are getting away with something or have it ‘easy’.

  Nowadays, people who ‘Fade’ are shunned almost the same as a DFd person. It’s not like years ago.
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  Is it okay for JW to work for Df’d person?

  by Iamallcool in

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  any takers?.

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  EVER APOSTATE:

  Yes, they have no idea what life is like in the Real world and so they make flippant statements along these lines.

  Nowadays, as most know, it’s not easy to even get or keep a job.. If anybody is fool enough to imagine they can just quit a job like it was nothing and imagine that another suitable one will just come along, I can’t even feel sorry for that person.. I also felt this way about gullible individuals in the past who were guilt tripped over attending district conventions when they couldn’t get the time off from work.

  Anybody who lost their jobs over this surely learned the hard way!!
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  You're DISFELLOWSHIPPED, Please---DON'T CONTACT US, Until You Return to Jehovah's Organization!

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
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  i just heard this story from one of my relatives.

  i'm leaving a lot of things out.. a jw couple had three kids and raised them in the religion.

  the oldest one got disfellowshipped at 18 years of age because he committed fornication with a jw girl.

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  FISHERMAN:

  Do you realize how tricky you sound when you say this? It’s like them saying ‘something is not a lie if a person isn’t entitled to the truth’.🙄

  Is something really subjective if it is well known to have happened? The JW religion has knocked college/careers for decades and labeled people who got them as ‘unspiritual’.. Nowadays they’re asking for money and targeting people perceived as ‘responsible’ to give money in many instances for people who never wanted to work. This is hypocritical because it is saying one thing and doing something else.

  A better example of a ‘subjective’ opinion would be if somebody says so-and-so is immodest in their dress. Because this isn’t a fact and the person might be perceived differently by different people.

  What I said in my post is totally correct, even if you chose to ignore it: the religion denies to outsiders about their shunning and tries to present a different face to the public; and also hides this stand from potential members.

  Again, I would never have joined if I knew all the hidden things about the religion. It just so happens I have no family there and never had to deal with family shunning me..But this is a tragedy nonetheless regardless of whether the misguided individuals involved aren’t ‘breaking the law’ per se.
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  You're DISFELLOWSHIPPED, Please---DON'T CONTACT US, Until You Return to Jehovah's Organization!

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just heard this story from one of my relatives.

  i'm leaving a lot of things out.. a jw couple had three kids and raised them in the religion.

  the oldest one got disfellowshipped at 18 years of age because he committed fornication with a jw girl.

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  FISHERMAN:

  The problem is JW standards are hypocritical.

  Yes, you say they have the ‘right’ to Df or shun. But, don’t hide it or be hypocritical about it. I cannot stand hypocrisy which is why I’m not there anymore. Another Example: They knocked people for having decent jobs..but have the audacity (and hypocrisy) to ask these same people for money to give to people there who never wanted to work!! Glad I’m not around this!

  They deny to outsiders that they practice shunning and breaking up of families. They want to present a different face to the public. They keep things hidden from prospective ‘bible studies’ who may not have joined the religion if they knew the Real story. I am one such person and could have saved myself wasted time years ago.. But, thankfully, I pulled myself out of this trap.
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  Did you encounter any dishonest/shady business owners inside your local Kingdom Hall?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower—study edition | december 2021.

  7 a merchant might take pride in the fact that he had never taken anything that did not belong to him.

  but what about his business practices?

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  OVERRATED:

  I just had a conversation similar to this with two JWs that I know from years ago.

  We compared stories of crooked dealings and horror stories we heard about. Sadly, they are far TOO many for a religion that purports to be the so-called ‘truth’!..I am convinced the ugly culture there has contributed to this.

  My question was: do the beliefs of the religion make people believe they can get away with doing anything to their so-called brothers? OR, does the fact the religion knocks education and careers and anybody falling for it ends up poor, desperate and angry, thus imagining they are ‘entitled’ to freebies and special treatment from anybody they think is better off than they are?.. Answer: I believe it’s a combination of both.

  Mind you, JWs are in the predicament they are in because they listened to bad advice..I sure as hell wasn’t the one to tell them to pursue poverty and not get decent jobs! Since I was knocked for working full time, I was determined to WARN young JWs that they better look out for their future!
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  Why build a new movie studio when we are in the last part of the last part of the last day?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  giles gray writes: .

  if the end is so near as the jehovah’s witnesses leadership claims (somehow they must have special insight), why are they building a movie studio that will be finished in 2026?.

  it’s not the first time something of this nature has happened in the society’s history.

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  OVERRATED:

  Yes, that is what happened.

  I wasn’t in the religion yet but came in several years after ‘75. Not a word of this fiasco was mentioned to me (among other things) or I doubt I would have joined the Witness religion. They kept this embarrassment hush-hush.

  People supposedly did stupid things like get into debt because they thought they would never have to pay it off. I also heard crazy stories about people selling homes and belongings and living off it so they could be in the full-time ministry until the supposed ‘end’ in ‘75…

  The end didn’t come so they had to start over again. Well, guess what? History has repeated itself and JWs did this again in the last decade or so with people having their money run out. These people are over 60. The congregations are filled with too many needy people looking for handouts and anybody who is perceived to be ‘responsible’ is being hit up for money left and right. Glad I got out years ago.
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  Does the Watchtower/JW Organization Regard its Readers & JWs as Fools and are they Secretly Laughing at Them?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  does the watchtower/jw organization regard its readers & jws as fools and are they secretly laughing at them?

  for some examples consider the following.. the wt literature has many times used odd language where they say one thing but word it in such a way as to suggest something else.

  they have said that a number of jws drew incorrect expectations about a number of things, including about 1914 and 1975, though it was the wt itself which proclaimed and taught those expectations in the wt's literature to jws.

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  DISILLUSIONED JW:

  I always thought so.

  I also felt maybe they said outrageous things to DARE people to disagree so that they could pounce on somebody. Unfortunately, you heard crickets as the stupid ‘sheeplike’ people just went along with whatever was said.

  From what I read online it seems they are saying ever nervier things!

  Thankfully, I was never the type to go along with the crowd back then or I would be in a serious predicament today.. In my opinion, any JWs at this late date STILL pursuing poverty and avoiding college/careers on the say-so of hypocrites.. (in spite of ample warning seeing older people reaching retirement age unprepared, Bethelites kicked out and other needy types in the congregation)..deserve absolutely No pity from anybody.
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  Annual Meeting

  by sove in

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  is it the annual meeting this weekend?

  any insights on "new light" or new releases?.

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  GORB:

  Yes, absolutely right that they try to blame individual JWs in congregations for following what they were told they should do.

  Younger people had hard pressure to supposedly ‘put the kingdom first’ 🙄 and not get decent jobs (because to do so would indicate you didn’t have faith and you were shunned to a degree like I was)..I was there and I remember older JWs with cushy lives (because THEY were in the workforce) telling ME I should quit my decent job with benefits and do housecleaning in addition to being in the full time ministry!!!

  This never made any sense to me and I paid no attention to these hypocrites. I am Retired now and any young Witnesses then who followed the bad advice are suffering TODAY and are poor and get help from non-JW relatives or in some instances begging and trying to guilt-trip other JWs to give them money!
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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

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  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  SIMON:

  I agree with you that the Baby Boomers at least here in the US had a very favorable situation when they were young with regard to jobs and careers in comparison with today.. Now you’ve got college kids who can’t find a job.

  Back then, a person could get a decent position with benefits even without college. I even heard of one or two high school dropouts who managed and are retired now!

  The point being that JW Baby Boomers in too many instances threw away their chances for basic security in senior years with both hands ..daydreaming about the ‘new system’! And I am not talking about fabulous riches either:..I’m talking about basic Social Security and even a modest IRA or pension plan to live on. This is so scary to think about it makes me ill.

  This is why I’m glad I resisted attempts by older hypocrites with cushy lives pushing poverty for young naive people.
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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

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  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  DESIROUSOFCHANGE:

  Yes, it is certainly true there are JWs with the mentality that they can accumulate debt like the couple you mention. They figure Armageddon will come so they won’t need to worry about paying it.

  But, isn’t this a repeat of what supposedly happened before the 1975 fiasco? History is repeating itself yet again. Except the couple you mention at least have a house they can keep refinancing with! So, at least somebody isn’t going around with an envelope asking money for THEM at least.

  What about JWs who unwisely sold their homes and lived off the proceeds because they figured Armageddon would come before the money ran out and now they are broke? Also, what about those who dropped out of the workforce before retirement age to go live in some nice place or where the ‘need was greater’ and they ran out of money?? ..These are all in addition to the usual run-of-the-mill JWs in congregations who lived on the edge pioneering and didn’t plan for the future. I don’t even need to get into other JWs with serious ‘issues’ who may never have worked at all..but who were brought into the religion in recent decades.

  There are entirely TOO MANY needy people in the JW religion..practically most of which put themselves in this position because they believed they didn’t need to work or plan for their future the way normal people in the world do..Somebody like me who was knocked for doing just that would have to be Out of My Mind to even want to be around these people and the self-made disaster they are in.