Posts by LongHairGal

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What if Witnesses presented their core beliefs at the door?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here is an interesting skit of what would happen if a witness was transparent at your door.. https://youtu.be/b0koiba2kyq.

LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

Your list is great.

I would have added also: ..“If you come in already with a full-time job or career, you should quit it and pursue poverty and get part-time work to be in the ministry more; and (especially if you are a woman) you should be a doormat doing favors for all the old ladies and Users in the congregation who DIDN’T pursue poverty and who live cushy lives..And, if you end up destitute who cares? Not us. Maybe Armageddon will come first to save you.”

I’m thankful today I neither listened to their advice nor followed the bullshit they held out to me.

Yes, I’ve always said that if the JWs laid all their cards on the table to potential recruits, nobody would join this religion. I know I wouldn’t have.

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New light and confessing to congregations.

by asp59 in

2017 - wt: the gb is neither inspired or infallible and can err in doctrine and organisational matters... clearly gb have received biblical information about things that been done wrong.

not from god directly, but letters received at headquarters.

if important new light about biblical matters have come to the gb attention, why are they not telling the congregations about that information?

LongHairGal

STGEORGE OF ENGLAND & HYBRIDOUS:

I do believe about the fallacy of ‘sunk costs’ keeping some JWs in.

I’m glad I ‘Faded’ twenty years ago. I was in for about twenty+ years but in my case I just wanted Out. I wasn’t worried about time wasted.

I also think that some of them there also might have questions/doubts about doctrine but don’t dare speak up because, as is mentioned, where else would they go at this point especially some of the older ones. They WOULD certainly be ‘fired’ with no savings, no accommodation, no pension, etc. Although, this could very well come about anyway with yet more ‘downsizing’. However, they would make it happen for sure if they opened their mouths!

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wt white washes david again why?

by waton in

in today's wt "study, "merci" a lot of gaslighting.

on one hand: you will be judged the way you are judging, but twice "david" is seen as needlessly killing or intending to kill people for minor transgression, .

1) getting ready to kill nabel, all males not paying his extortion fees, and .

LongHairGal

WATON:

I was always bothered by the fact the JW religion seemed to give David of the Old Testament a ‘pass’ for whatever mistake or wrongdoing he did!

I assumed it was because the religion considers ITSELF like David and thinks it deserves a ‘pass’ for whatever mistakes IT makes.

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"The End is Imminent" - Tony Morris, 2017

by Smiles in

2017 tony morris jw gb.

"the end is imminent!".

timestamp (06:00).

LongHairGal

HOSER:

Yes, it’s very true.

JWs sit there not paying attention to the clock on the wall which is ticking away - meanwhile old age and poor health come when they weren’t looking!..What a sad thing for somebody to be believing they don’t have to provide for their old age because ‘Armageddon’ was coming. Meanwhile, those who led them to believe this fallacy are well provided for and maybe never worked a day in their lives!

I had a conversation with a JW I knew from years ago. This person knows I am not active in the religion. We talked about somebody’s son who got sent home from bethel. I said “at least he’s young enough to get a job..but what about those older over age 55 who got sent home?” The JW then says: “oh, they won’t be let go until they reach Social Security age”. I said “Nope, somebody has to Pay into SS in order to collect it”. (Otherwise: A person would either have to be a spouse of somebody who paid into it or be a dependent.). The JW then said, “Well..He’s a merciful God”…

This person (like some other JWs) believes inaccuracies and is isolated from the Real world.

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What are the maim lies Apostates tell about Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

main not maim.

picked this answer up on quora.

please add other apostate "lies" you are aware of.. "jehovah's witnesses cannot refute the facts in the so-called “ lies” against them, and when they do, they shamelessly lie and tell half-truths to defend their mind-controlling sect.. their new york based leaders tell them that anything negative said about their sect is a “ lie “ from “ mentally diseased, bitter apostates”.. jws are yet to come to terms with the fact that we are in the information age and they can no longer get away with lying to protect their organisation.. for example, one of the “ lies “ told about them is that they shun anyone who leaves the cult , including family members, including their own children.. another “ lie “ is that jws are ready to allow their children to die rather than accept a life-saving blood transfusion.. the child sex abuse coverup in the cult is also said to be a “lie “.

LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

That’s a very good post you quoted from this ‘Gillies Gray’.

I also think that most ex-JWs take pains to be accurate when they bring criticism against the religion. As stated, there is absolutely No reason to lie or even exaggerate because the religion’s own past literature is more than sufficient to make them look bad.

Very few JWs will even listen when somebody tries to point out legitimate criticisms. Most are Not interested from what I could see. A few may even get nasty and sound mentally unhinged if somebody tries to engage them in a conversation criticizing the religion or its policies. They may even start spewing un-Christian speech.. I have noticed that nowadays JWs are more likely to sound this way, sadly.

I’m just glad I’m no longer involved.

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Merry Christmas Everyone

by jhine in

jw
friends

i don't think that it's too early to start this thread so .

merry christmas everyone.

maybe people could share christmas music or clips to get us all in the mood.

LongHairGal

Yes, Merry Christmas to everyone!

I was raised Roman Catholic so I had the whole Christmas and holiday experience that Jehovah’s Witness children would be deprived of..I could understand why it would mean nothing if somebody didn’t experience it as a child.

I love all the colorful lights, baking, aromas, the tradition and getting together with relatives. Before this pandemic hit, it was enjoyable to go shopping and see decorated malls and stores. I know Christmas can be cheesy with stupid songs but I ignore this. I have good childhood memories of it.

I always felt the REAL reason the JW religion disapproves of this and other holidays is that they don’t want a JW to associate with non-JW family or friends! Never mind the ‘pagan’ bullsh#t. Most everything has pagan origins, even the days of the week. No, this is just a cover excuse.

Bottom line:.. I suspect they very much fear the JW will experience friendship and unconditional love from people who are not judging them every minute and will grow to like it (or remember it) and perhaps may not want to remain in the JW religion anymore!

So, enjoy your Christmas dinner! 🎄🎁

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Do Jehovah's really have true Bible studies?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

frequently asked questions.

if i accept a bible study, will i be pressured to become one of jehovah’s witnesses?.

jehovah’s witnesses love teaching people about the bible, but we never pressure anyone to join our religion.

LongHairGal

RULES & REGULATIONS:

As far as I was concerned, JWs didn’t have true bible studies. What they HAVE with potential recruits are really ‘literature’ studies.

It was a study of the Do’s and Don’ts of their religion..Their bible was picked up now and then and a scripture would be read to supposedly ‘back up’ whatever teaching they were highlighting!

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Geoffrey Jackson- soliciting?

by molybdenum in

i listened to geoffrey jackson’s latest talk “assisting our brothers materially “.

jackson presented some arguments, one of which was….jesus did not stop the widow from putting money in the contribution box in the temple.

basically saying regardless of your financial situation you have to donate.

LongHairGal

ROAD TO NOWHERE:

Interesting that you point out ‘they look for some with the means to donate’. Well, isn’t this the truth?

These Witness hypocrites knock college/ careers and anybody with a decent job is criticized as ‘materialistic’ and ‘not spiritual’. This is why I’m glad I’m not sitting there now because I would refuse to be targeted to give money to anybody there. I know I’ve said this a million times and I can’t stress it enough.

I always said, even years ago, that I didn’t want to be anywhere near JWs when reality hit them. I meant it.

I got criticized and shunned for having a full-time job! Thankfully, I held on to this job until Retirement. If I had listened to JWs I would be in a very bad predicament now. I would be, as the expression goes, ‘Shit Out of Luck’. Therefore, I’m not in the least bit interested in anybody’s hard luck stories there.

Good luck to them but I don’t want these idiots coming anywhere near me.

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Enforced shunning violates free moral agency

by Yomama in

jw
friends

what do you think?.

LongHairGal

YOMAMA:

Maybe yes in the circumstance of disfellowshipping. In this instance, the religion thinks it has a right to interfere with people’s free moral agency.

In other minor things though, when ‘dominant’ 🙄 people in a congregation decide they don’t like something or someone, anybody SEEN going against their opinion will become the object of their petty revenge. It’s the same in the world.

Even if somebody is not announced as Df’d they can still be shunned because somebody in a dominant clique said so. I had this happen to me and I knew where it was coming from. I ignored it. The problem with the shunning routine is that it only works with an audience. So, by my ignoring what was happening and not running up to somebody and saying ‘what’s wrong’, I deprived the shunner of their audience. Sure enough, it stopped but I was past the point of caring at that time.

Maybe I didn’t react or care about these Witness charades because I had no family in the religion and (thankfully) had my secular job and an acquaintance or two outside. Who can say? All I know is it was easy to ‘Fade’ when the time came.

I see you have made several threads and posts on ‘Shunning’ so I assume this has hurt you deeply and for that I’m sorry.

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Armageddon Aftermath

by Vanderhoven7 in

actually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .

welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.

https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.

LongHairGal

HOSER:

Good thought. That is a good fictitious description of the mindset behind how the whole thing would presumably work! All based on Fear, of course, because JW is a Fear-based religion.

Someone would ‘purchase’ the so-called warranty with their lifetime, meetings, $, recruiting new people to do the same thing, etc. and ‘maybe’ they can avoid that terrible fate and get ‘everlasting life in a new system’. The problem is (as you pointed out) there were so many past warranty periods the religion went through. Many people are dead and gone. But, yet the religion wants desperately to hang on to that ‘devotion’! They never really got any from me though.

PUNK OF NICE:

Yes, I can see there are some true believers on the forum.