Posts by LongHairGal

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What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book

by TastingFreedom in

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what is brazen conduct according to the watchtower?.

here are some references from the new flock book:.

they have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word.

LongHairGal

I always thought they changed it from “loose conduct” to “brazen conduct” because the former somehow led people to think somebody committed immorality!

When they used the term “loose conduct” years ago I wondered if it was deliberate. I thought maybe they reasoned that if people assumed a person committed fornication it would be a deterrent to any Witnesses asking ‘what happened’ since it’s embarrassing.

After all:..the end goal is to keep JWs from talking to a person who is Out because of the fear of what secrets a disgruntled ex-JW will tell..For example: what if a JW was wronged in some way or had issues with elders or doctrines! They don’t want anybody else in the congregation knowing these things.

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WT's Impact on Children

by Sea Breeze in

what is your opinion of the wt's impact on children?.

here, children get to connect the dots and see what will happen to you if you are disobedient.

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LongHairGal

Hi DISILLUSIONED JW:

I’m sorry about the bullying you received in childhood at the hands of non-Witnesses.😔

Bullying is universal it seems..I went to Catholic school. I experienced bullying to some degree in the neighborhood as well as in the schoolyard. Children are really cruel as you have seen. I had kids make fun of my name and one of my siblings in the earlier years. In seventh grade or so, I wasn’t accepted by the ‘cool girls’ since I looked younger than them. (I was 5 in first grade so was actually younger than my classmates.). Of course, I got ‘respect’ when I started to develop, etc. Yes, it was the good old ‘School of hard knocks’ which is Life and it’s a journey nobody but you can take.

Anyway, I got through my childhood and went to Catholic high school. I certainly had my fill of nuns after that. I joined the workforce after graduation (did some community college). Some years after I got involved with the JWs.

Yes, it was a rocky road. Even though I cannot know what it was like to be raised a JW, from what I have heard I have no regrets that I was raised outside it..It may not sound like much, but I had self-esteem, parents who expected me to get somewhere in life, friends, holidays, etc.. I also picked up on bits of practical information that many JWs either don’t have because of being so sheltered - or have to learn at a late date!

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What are the benefits of doubts?

by psyco in

what are the benefits of having created the human mind being able to have doubts inside (or regarding) the true religion (jude 22)?.

because if you have doubts, you are not sure, so it is difficult to believe and trust.

and if it is difficult to believe and trust, it is even more difficult to have faith since it is the "assured" expectation of what is hoped for (hebrews 11:1).

LongHairGal

PSYCHO:

We have doubts because we have reasoning ability and intelligence. We are able to hear a thing and our minds analyze it and kick it around and then we come to a conclusion.

It’s being involved in a cult or fear-based religion that gets us to doubt our own God given intelligence and causes us to ignore the obvious and makes us stupid, in my opinion.

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Mother's Day is Only for Mother Church

by Sea Breeze in

what jackasses !.

LongHairGal

As somebody raised Catholic whose family weren’t necessarily church-goers except for weddings and funerals, we didn’t analyze all these holidays!

We didn’t give a second thought about Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, Flag Day or whatnot. They were just days on the calendar and if a person chose to celebrate or partake or whatever, nobody cared.

When I became a JW I let it go in one ear and out the other.

It only seems to be JWs who pick every crumb apart and worry if something supposedly violates bible principles. Or they take interpretation to an unnecessary extreme. It’s no wonder they are neurotic and scared of their shadow but worse yet they imagine they are more righteous somehow because they want to separate themselves. Meanwhile, the whole world carries on without them oblivious to what they think.

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My story

by PimoElder in

hi everyone i’m a pimo elder ex bethelite and pioneer who has been having doubts for many years.

as of late i’ve come to have even more doubts mainly due to the gb pushing the vaccines and acting like salesman for big pharma companies .

i will never take these vaccines even if it meant i couldn’t go to the hall as was previously said but the gb have done a big u turn on this now.

LongHairGal

What gets me is the idea the person claimed to be a JW elder - yet he supposedly didn’t believe it. You’d think somebody like that should step down at least.

Just HOW many people in the religion are like him is the question…

It’s bad enough when other people in the congregations are faking it. Somebody in a so-called ‘responsible’ or ‘insider’ position is more accountable (in my eyes) for propping up something that he knows is not 100% right - and all so he can enjoy social benefits!

All in all, it just shows the whole thing to be fluff and insubstantial smoke and mirrors that somebody would have to be a world class idiot to stick with.

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WT's Impact on Children

by Sea Breeze in

what is your opinion of the wt's impact on children?.

here, children get to connect the dots and see what will happen to you if you are disobedient.

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LongHairGal

TRUTH_B_KNOWN & SEA BREEZE:

Reading your childhood experiences and observations as a Witness are unbelievable and extreme:.. seeing the scared child who thought ‘worldly’ kids 🙄 are the devil; and having parents put your belongings on the front lawn for seeking outside friendships.

For somebody not raised a Witness, you have my condolences. I have to say this religion is truly harmful to children. Hearing all this, how can anybody think otherwise?

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History repeated: pre-1975 trend of selling homes to ‘downsize’

by LongHairGal in

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i saw this thread on reddit.

i think the reason for this is that the 1975 fiasco is never mentioned in the jw religion.

nobody mentioned it to me when i came in the years after.. the problem with this is that all the sad stories were never told (or hushed up) of people who sold off homes, etc.

LongHairGal

HOSER:

I guess I wasn’t ‘spiritual’ according to the definition of the JW religion.🤣

I wouldn’t quit my full-time job or do favors for Users to appease them. (Never mind that all the older people in the congregation were collecting pensions and living cushy lives. None of THEM apparently were stupid enough to sell their houses and go pioneering in some dirt hole like some suckers did.)

The younger people my age back then who wouldn’t be caught dead in a full time job are struggling and needing handouts today. They were the ones invited to special gatherings I wasn’t invited to. They didn’t like me. I accept that. I’m Retired now. What I do NOT accept, however, is any of them imagining I’m going to give them anything..I would run from them.

As you say, it ain’t cheap.

As you say, they were ‘socially stratified’ in the JW religion and part of a clique. So..Let them track down their ‘spiritual friends’ in their ‘Clique’ and ask THEM for money.

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History repeated: pre-1975 trend of selling homes to ‘downsize’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

i saw this thread on reddit.

i think the reason for this is that the 1975 fiasco is never mentioned in the jw religion.

nobody mentioned it to me when i came in the years after.. the problem with this is that all the sad stories were never told (or hushed up) of people who sold off homes, etc.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

They aren’t looking for me because they know they’d get nowhere. But they’re certainly after you it seems.

The fact that they keep turning up at your place of business preaching and asking for $$ is very nervy and would make me feel uncomfortable.

Naturally, you have to be polite to actual customers. But, if somebody is not there to be an actual customer - what are they doing there?? Don’t have idle chitchat. Say, ‘can I help you’? If not, ‘have a nice day’.

Maybe for some JWs it’s too late to get an actual career (not yours or my problem). But they should try to get something.. Some won’t because maybe they are receiving a stipend for special pioneering and they need X amount of preaching hours to qualify. They are in a dilemma and hope to get contributions from people. They are relentless it seems.

The idea that I would have a bullseye target on me because of a business would make me do something to stop this unwanted contact.

Again, I predict they are going to get very strident and nervy asking for handout$ within their congregation..But, I also suspect they are ‘working’ on people who are Out but didn’t get far away enough like in your case. Be wary. Just my opinion.

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History repeated: pre-1975 trend of selling homes to ‘downsize’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

i saw this thread on reddit.

i think the reason for this is that the 1975 fiasco is never mentioned in the jw religion.

nobody mentioned it to me when i came in the years after.. the problem with this is that all the sad stories were never told (or hushed up) of people who sold off homes, etc.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

I totally agree with you.

The problem is: if you were still active and ‘associating’ in the Witness religion you would privately be confronted for money for all these ‘needy’ types who either never wanted to work OR who made stupid blunders like what is mentioned here and are now broke!

While I don’t have a crystal ball, it would not surprise me if at some point responsible people there not giving handout$ for all the ‘needy’ will be verbally attacked and ‘shamed’..I see this possibly happening.. They’d probably be shunned as well. Oh, the irony!

I really don’t see how it would even be possible to continue in this religion. You wouldn’t be left alone!.. Good luck to everybody but I’m Glad I got out for many reasons over two decades ago.

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History repeated: pre-1975 trend of selling homes to ‘downsize’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

i saw this thread on reddit.

i think the reason for this is that the 1975 fiasco is never mentioned in the jw religion.

nobody mentioned it to me when i came in the years after.. the problem with this is that all the sad stories were never told (or hushed up) of people who sold off homes, etc.

LongHairGal

FF GHOST:

About that woman who decided to live off her 401k:..Here she was wise enough to have one in the first place. I wonder if because of her big mouth she was made to feel guilty for even having it. Then late in the game she decides to do this.👎 Hopefully she wasn’t motivated by guilt and being ‘seen’ to be spiritual 🙄. If and when the money runs out, she should track down her ‘spiritual’ JW friends who egged her on to do this. I don’t believe for one minute that many of these types of ‘sacrifices’ weren’t discussed with people in the congregations!

For those on the forum who have been out of the Witness religion for a long time: The stories that I have heard through the grapevine is that money is being privately asked from responsible people in congregations to help out types who are ‘needy’. This is the reality there now. Also, if somebody gives..it won’t only be one time. They can expect to be asked time and again!

Again, this is why I’m Glad I’m not there anymore..A verbal altercation would be inevitable because at some point the hypocrites would make their way over to Me with their envelope! 👎