Posts by LongHairGal

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First rule of book club: don't talk about book club

by Judgerussellford in

i've never heard anyone else but ne say this but i've been saying it for years.

if you agree and have also been saying this for years, that is hilariously greater.

watchtower is just a cooperation that hides behind a religious title, that owns real-estate around the world, these buildings wich only have 1 purpose.

LongHairGal

JUDGERUSSELLFORD:

I was always bothered by the idea of all those damn books..All that was really needed was a Bible. Period.

For the first year I was there I wouldn’t even open any of the magazines. Of course, that bothered everybody around me including the people I ‘studied’ with. In time, I gave in. Too bad I didn’t listen to my instincts. I could have saved myself wasted time and not gone through what I did!

I ‘Faded’ from the Witnesses years later. I am just grateful I didn’t totally fall for it and quit my job like they were urging me to. I wouldn’t be Retired today if I listened to these assorted meddling fools who would have ruined my life. Would any of them or the religion/corporation/organization be supporting anybody today??…Nope.

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Can you list the positive points of being a JW as against the negative points of being a JW in your experience ?

by smiddy3 in

i was a twenty y/old when i converted to the jw religion and was a problem drinker and i was a chain smoker .when i was baptized at a circuit assembly a year later , my conversion and change in lifestyle was given as an example of the effectiveness of incidental witnessing to the audience.. so i can point to the 2 positives becoming a jw .. 1.i gave up smoking.

2.i gave up drinking for a while ,but because i still had association with my wife`s and my family who were not jw`s ,i learnt to control my social drinking when i started again.. and i have been a responsible drinker ever since ,even though i left the religion 29 years ago.. the negative points of being a jw in my 32 years of being one ?

are far too great to list here .. love to hear your thoughts..

LongHairGal

DESIROUS OF CHANGE:

While we can all point out some ‘positive’ factors/benefits from being a JW, they can ONLY be perceived as positive so long as the negative effects weren’t enough to either kill us OR severely hamper us.

I am referring to people dying from the blood ban; those who suffer severe depression from shunning, etc. with ruined family lives which stays with a person forever; and, lastly, poverty as a senior citizen because of not getting a decent job w/benefits in younger years.

A lot of JWs/ex-JWs fall in the category of falling somewhere outside these categories so they can say they ‘benefited’ somehow because of the religion. But, they only benefited from dumb luck and favorable circumstances (like the fact that I was not born-in but came in with a full-time job which I held onto until Retirement).

My honest assessment is that the bad might outweigh the good.. If I had it to do all over again, knowing what I know, I would never have joined the JW religion and I’m glad I’m Out.

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

DISILLUSIONED JW:

Please don’t take offense. I was speaking in generalities when I said many JWs either don’t know or don’t much care what is being taught. (We aren’t using our real names here and nobody knows who you or your family are.)

It’s true there are so many teachings there it takes an unusual person to keep track. But, the Witnesses I know certainly are not in this category and are just ‘there’. They would probably get tongue-tied if you asked them an intelligent question about their beliefs.

I still believe the religion was psychologically harmful to me anyway. But, my observation was that not everybody was equally damaged by the religion. It was hit and miss and depended on who you were. Some people are perfectly happy there. Let them stay there. I’m just glad I’m out 21 years. I was only TOO happy to forget most of the useless teachings there and only recall the few basic ones.

I also believe the ‘loyalty’ thing is not just about control but because they want to keep people from leaving when they are stumbled or things don’t make sense..Of course, this doesn’t necessarily work because there is a steady exodus of people - especially lately. I hope it continues.

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

DISILLUSIONED JW:

I also believe that those that stay in the JW religion don’t even care what is being taught. Hardly any of them can explain what the teachings are. It’s not about accuracy of beliefs and I think it never really was. I was so deceived as to what the religion was really all about and would never have joined if I knew.

They only know the name ‘Jehovah’ and the words ‘new system’. Everything else makes no difference to these people.

I also believe the changes were major and not ‘minor refinements’.

Why do you think they were always talking about ‘loyalty’? This bothered me because it implied that something was wrong but you should stick with it anyway..or something was wrong with you.

Some believe it is the ‘truth’, others might not be so sure but it’s too late to uproot their lives and go elsewhere. This religion is a whole lifestyle.

Like you I believe the JW religion is damaging psychologically and I’m not even a born-in! Anybody who wants to stay in? Good luck. I’m just glad I got out years ago with most of my marbles intact, and with the full-time job they all hated me for which I kept until Retirement.

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Well, I’m glad your business is good.

I’m also glad you said in a previous post you filed complaints officially. At least it’s on record just in case there is any trouble or ‘misunderstandings’ at some point. Let’s hope everything continues to go well. 👍🏻

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Just never mind about these JWs that don’t want to work. It’s not your problem to motivate them. We already know they are looking for a free ride…Just go about your own business and ignore them.

I would also have signs that say “NO Soliciting”..I have seen these in businesses. I also wouldn’t have unnecessary chitchat if anybody wanders in and doesn’t look like they want to order anything ..The only thing I would say is “can I help you?” No talking about the weather or anything.

If you don’t get a response, take your eyes off them and smilingly greet the next customer and go about your business ignoring the person not ordering.. I can’t imagine they would have the nerve to hang out after that.

Have you spoken to the local hall about this? [Tell me: are you afraid the JWs will boycott your business? I hope you are popular enough that there are enough other customers.]

How do you think other business owners would respond if this were happening to them?

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Well, I’m glad to hear that you have complained officially about this problem.

I didn’t want to think you didn’t have the backbone or courage!

Inaction and not speaking up would only encourage ever more outrageous and nervy behavior on the part of these people. What your JW mother does privately with her money is her business. However, once the business is yours it’s in your hands now.

Good luck with the business and here’s to hoping the only people coming through your door are happy and paying repeat customers!

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Since this sounds like an ongoing problem of them coming onto your business as you have said asking for money, etc, WHY have you not attempted to politely put a stop to it?? Or did you and they are disregarding it?

I know I would have done something..

Even though you said your mom was generous, WHY have you not explained that you run things now (I assume you’re a grown man and not a child) and any past generosity has stopped.

Just curious as to what the problem is and why this intrusion still appears to be happening.

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

THOMAS MORE & BETH SARIM:

I’m long ‘Faded’ from the religion and, Thankfully, never had any family there.

I can’t imagine having to be afraid gullible family members would fall for something of this magnitude! ..Let’s hope the scenario you mentioned never takes place..There would be a much bigger fiasco than post-1975 with frantic people with no money left..and a world in such bad shape it’d be almost impossible to recover..At least in the ‘70s we still had a good economy! Not now.

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Can’t you put a stop to this? Don’t know how you tolerate this nuisance of them coming into YOUR place of business to not only ask for money but to infer that you ‘owe’ them somehow..(And, mind you, if you gave, it wouldn’t be just once. It would be forever, Amen.)

Hearing all this makes me very glad I’m no longer around the Witnesses as I would almost certainly be drawn into a verbal altercation. These nervy people tried to ruin my life and get me to quit my full-time job to pursue poverty and be in the ministry. I wouldn’t be Retired if I listened to them. There’s NO tolerance for them coming near me looking for anything now!

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

LongHairGal

LV101:

The mentality of having an army of deadbeats who don’t want to work but instead want to be out in the ministry pioneering (to fit into the crowd 🙄) is unsustainable.. I assume these JWs are either on disability or do some work part time and scrounge around. I really have no patience and couldn’t have this sh#t around me!

Gone are the days I tolerated being in car groups with weirdos. But at least back when I was in they were mostly Working weirdos. Not this!

The main reason I left the religion was 1995 and them leading everybody on. This particular situation, however, about the great numbers of people there who are irresponsible and therefore needy is a self-created cultural problem (by the religion). I absolutely REFUSE to be around this.

The religion created this situation over the decades with their hypocritical stand against college/careers; encouraging ridiculous 1975 behavior like selling assets and pioneering ‘til the money runs out; plus bringing in people with serious issues to fill empty seats in the halls (vacated most likely by ‘Faders’ and older people who passed away). The result is the demographic changed for the worse. When these elderly (Boomers and older) are gone, it’s going to resemble an insane asylum because I don’t believe any of the younger ones with a brain will hang around.

Somebody would have to be out of their damn mind to even want to be around this!..It serves the religion right that their monstrosity of hypocrisy collapse in on itself and it can’t happen soon enough.