2023-01-27--civil unrest.
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FOOLEDNOMORE:
So, they are still at it with calling on your family!
I guess your wealthy mom is still a ‘believer’ and if she hasn’t specifically told the JWs to get lost they will still attempt to call on her. One thing is for certain: if she were poor and dressed in rags these people would avoid her like the plague.
Only certain elderly people get attention. They couldn’t care less if the others drew their next breath.
2023-01-27--civil unrest.
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FEDUPJW:
That is very good of you to be this man’s friend and go visit him.
It’s too bad he feels about himself that ‘it would be better if he just died because nobody but you cares about him’.. God help any PIMI JWs who are counting on friendships and attention from people in the religion to keep them going!.. I remember back when I was a ‘believer’ going through a phase of being sad because I saw so little love there. I got over it in time.
I came to see in the JW religion that if you’re not related to the ‘right’ people - then it’s all about judgmentalism, conditional friends and Users. You are only as good as the next favor you can do or $ervice you can provide. If you can’t (or won’t) do that, you’re ignored. Even those who DID these things and stopped for some reason were forgotten like yesterday’s garbage.
It’s too bad people there keep telling themselves they are in a loving brotherhood. Thankfully, I never believed it and could only count on myself.
this is a new video posted by the exjw critical thinkers jt & lady cee:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvmulzbczvm&t=1s.
i had a hunch that wt was going to do so, but this is happening quite soon.
I think they would be making a big mistake if they cancelled or just restricted the Zoom meetings to the elderly and infirm.
I was reading posts on Reddit about how the religion can’t get people to come back. In my opinion as an observer, it was the two plus years away from the meetings that did the most damage to the religion.. In that time, people got ‘deprogrammed’ and got their minds back.
Let’s not forget that people were stressed out during the pandemic: some got sick, some lost jobs, etc. Also, people started to notice little things and some important things: like how important time is. Maybe they didn’t see the sense of all the meetings in the JW religion. Like why can’t they have one meeting weekly like other religions??.. Maybe people resented the level of control and intrusiveness into their lives and were glad to be rid of it. Maybe they came to see this wasn’t the ‘light load’ Jesus spoke about!
Even if some JWs do trickle back, I don’t believe things will be like they were before the pandemic - and even then the numbers were decreasing!
2023-01-27--civil unrest.
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LOST IN THE FOG:
I cannot imagine that if civil unrest were to break out that the congregations would be visiting elderly JWs. That would be the last thing on their minds.🤣
I’m sorry for any of them and others with special needs who didn’t hear from anybody during Covid. To be real, even before then almost nobody cared.
I’m out of the religion many years and I always felt that if you weren’t popular and part of the ‘In’ crowd - nobody even thought about you.. Besides, most times if someone got a phone call it’s because somebody wanted a favor OR because something was wrong!
Sorry for anybody who thinks this is a ‘loving brotherhood’.
back in the day when i was a young witness lad, you very much got the impression that at least the training as theocratic teachers was good.. even the bible reading back then had a short introduction and conclusion.
you had to research and prepare your own ministry school talks and then perhaps you would graduate to a half of a 55 minute public talk.
then later if you were a book study conductor, you got to decide which scriptures to read and highlight.
INDOUBTBIGTIME:
So, you think the “answer is to not have too much to lose if the banking system collapses..”? Or whatever else JWs tell themselves to further justify why they don’t want to work like responsible people.
Nah, it’s much more enjoyable to go tripping along knocking on doors and going on coffee breaks.🙄 Right? The problem with this mentality is that you would be needy NOW, way before any collapse or chaos even happens.. You have NO business believing that responsible people who worked and got criticized should be giving you anything or sharing their ‘surplus’.
I could not imagine being around JWs if and when things got super bad! They would have an almost cannibalistic attitude towards anybody they thought had anything. As it is, they can’t wait to get their hands on ‘worldly’ people’s possessions and live in their houses!
back in the day when i was a young witness lad, you very much got the impression that at least the training as theocratic teachers was good.. even the bible reading back then had a short introduction and conclusion.
you had to research and prepare your own ministry school talks and then perhaps you would graduate to a half of a 55 minute public talk.
then later if you were a book study conductor, you got to decide which scriptures to read and highlight.
INDOUBTBIGTIME:
How touching..I suppose that might sound nice but, unfortunately, the JW religion’s policies against careers, etc. promotes the neediness in the first place.
They knocked me for my full time job and tried to get me to quit and pioneer and take up housecleaning. I refused so they made sure I wasn’t invited anywhere. This is hardly Christian.. But, that’s okay because I wouldn’t have retired if I listened to them! I’d be up the famous creek without a paddle. They wouldn’t be supporting ME.
There’s no nice way to say this, but I’m glad I walked away from the religion years ago.. I’m certainly glad I’m not there as a target for elders to come up to me with an envelope!! That’s not MY problem people were misled into believing they should live on the edge going out in the ‘ministry’ and not working and planning for their future like normal people do.. Let their ‘spiritual’ friends help them.
back in the day when i was a young witness lad, you very much got the impression that at least the training as theocratic teachers was good.. even the bible reading back then had a short introduction and conclusion.
you had to research and prepare your own ministry school talks and then perhaps you would graduate to a half of a 55 minute public talk.
then later if you were a book study conductor, you got to decide which scriptures to read and highlight.
INDOUBTBIGTIME:
When I read your posts it just makes me wonder how many Witnesses left are true believers? I would guess not many.
We can never know how many fall into your category of not really believing it all (picking and choosing) and going because they like the association and it’s ‘cheaper than the pub’. Whatever.
One thing you said I agree with is that you expect to see yourself grow old in this system. Just make very sure you prepare yourself for this financially! Don’t be like other daydreamers there. I always wondered if some there are so medicated they don’t realize the clock on the wall is ticking.
Some hope Armageddon will come in time to save them, so they gamble they don’t need to plan!.. Not wise.
my brother told us that sr. so and so ,was disfellowshipped.
now ,she is in her late 60's.
i just had a feeling it was for apostasy.
JHINE:
Yes, this woman WILL be abandoned by people in the congregation.
What’s sad is that other Witnesses who really like her will be ‘afraid’ to talk to her or be seen with her because then they themselves will be shunned! I know this is hard to grasp for somebody who has never been in the JW religion. But, this is what happens there.
Hopefully, she has non-JW relatives who will not shun her and she gets involved with other things and makes new friends. This is HARD enough to do at a younger age, let alone with someone older. If this lady gets desperate and tries to go back because she’s ‘lonely’, she’s going to have a hard time! I wish her all the best!
hi friend`s ,i just had to share my experience ,and surely there must be others on this board who had similar experiences that i had.. i was a jw for 37 years ,been out for about 20 years or so .however we as a family never had the problems that so many of you seem to have had .. none of our, my wife and i , immediate families have ever been jw`s.. i converted when i was about 20 years old in about 1960 and as i say remained in converted my wife and brought up two sons in the "truth" for about 37 years .. my 1st and 2nd congregations i attended in melbourne aust.
were very conservative and not very wholesome looking back.. however moving interstate to s.e.queensland in redcliffe was a whole new experience.. it was far more liberal and relaxed.. i befriend a couple of elders and ms `s who enjoyed an ale or two which was right up my alley.. and we went on camping expeditions on both fraser and moreton islands ,both just off the coast of brisbane.. i was a ms for many years there never pioneered or served where the need was great and always had steady employment in the world which probably kept my head above the clouds so to speak.. none of my family ,wife two boys and their wives are jw`s ,we have all left many years ago.. anybody else had negative effects of being a witness for many years ?.
Hi SMIDDY3:
I remember you once saying that you didn’t have the experience in the JW religion that people here in the USA had.
You were able to have your job or career with no interference from elders and other busybodies in the congregation. (Of course, you are a man and men would be less likely to be bothered over this.). Maybe things in general are more liberal down in Australia(?).
Here in the states people in congregations have been unfairly influenced in youth into making decisions which ruined their futures! Of course, they didn’t realize it at the time as they were caught up in the hoopla and getting praised and invited to gatherings.
You’ve read of tragic stories on the forum and elsewhere of people broke in senior years who can’t retire. It was only the few of us here and there like me who refused to quit careers or full time jobs - and we paid the price by being ostracized. But, that means nothing now.. Just like it means nothing now if someone popular back then can’t retire now!
Well, consider yourself very fortunate this did not happen to you and you had a ‘normal life’ in the JW religion - which is a very unusual thing.
don't complain if you get kicked out of bethel after 23 years (it's really a blessing to be assigned back to the field) and don't complain if they sell your kingdom hall even if you have just invested your time and energy renovating it.. so encouraging?.
HELLOTHERE:
No doubt you’re greatly relieved you never followed that older brother’s advice about going to bethel. You would now be in a panic situation at an older age with a lot of regrets.
Even though I was never a candidate for bethel 🤣, I am likewise happy I never listened to unwanted advice from older people in the JW congregation telling me to quit my full time job.. They certainly weren’t looking out for MY best interest$.
