would someone in the know please clarify for me some alleged comments given from the governing body at the recent/yet to be streamed for the rank and file annual meeting?.
it is my understanding that samuel herd basically tells the rank and file that old light is new light and the new light of july, 2013 is now old light.
to be specific, herd states that the official stance on whether or not the annointed remaining on earth, to include the governing body, will all be in heaven prior to armageddon.. at this same annual meeting tony morris iii tells those in attendance that stephen letts' statement that "we're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days!
MAC HISLOPP:
It wasn’t my intention to point that out and I’m sorry!..I sent you a PM. Yes, it was surely a lifetime ago and many older JWs today are suffering if they heeded that advice!
Some think it’s old light, but is it really since they still say similar things?
OVERRATED:
I always felt they were parasites on society and shameless at that!
would someone in the know please clarify for me some alleged comments given from the governing body at the recent/yet to be streamed for the rank and file annual meeting?.
it is my understanding that samuel herd basically tells the rank and file that old light is new light and the new light of july, 2013 is now old light.
to be specific, herd states that the official stance on whether or not the annointed remaining on earth, to include the governing body, will all be in heaven prior to armageddon.. at this same annual meeting tony morris iii tells those in attendance that stephen letts' statement that "we're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days!
MAC HISLOPP:
Thanks for posting the contents of that infamous 1969 article (52 yrs ago)..telling young JWs they will ‘never grow old in this system of things’.
Any young JW back then who based their LIFE on this article and did Not get a decent job/career and plan for their retirement are poor senior citizens today. Maybe this article is part of the reason I was treated so badly when I joined in the late ‘70s and was severely criticized and shunned because I refused to quit my full-time job. (Meanwhile, all the older people in the congregation were collecting THEIR pensions, because they were in the workforce!)
It can’t be lightly dismissed that my situation in later life would have been a hardship and disaster if I listened.. I’m Retired today and grateful I resisted all the criticism back then.
i was in the cult for years about 40. fourth gen born in cult member or for me ex cult member.
i have seen so many cult members who don't seem to really care if the end is near or not.
they are much more concerned with the idea that this is their social network and they need and or want it just the way it is.
MICKBOBCAT:
So, yes, I believe affluent JWs do not care if the end comes and Do see the religion as a social network.
However, if JWs aren’t doing well they definitely are wishing and hoping for Armageddon. There is an excellent thread on Reddit:..’Work Part Time and Pioneer, Jehovah will Provide For You’. There are so many tragic stories on there! One particular post is something I have heard:..JWs now pioneering, working part time crappy jobs and not putting anything into retirement who KNOW they are not going to be able to make it come retirement but STILL won’t do anything about it..hoping Jehovah will bring about the End so it won’t matter.
Yes, they want the system to end because they know they won’t be able to support themselves.
I always had a theory some JWs aren’t just lazy but really don’t want to hack it in a worldly environment. They like the controlled environment of the congregation and service groups where people are ‘polite’ to them whereas in the real ‘world’ people aren’t necessarily polite and a person has to ‘pull their weight’. Some of these JWs do not WANT to pull their weight so they take the gamble to be in the ministry and hope the End comes so they don’t have to deal with the consequences.
If I were around JWs now I would be walking a gauntlet of deadbeats with their hands out. No thanks!
the wt study for this week is all about disfellowshipping.
in an early paragraph it said "think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!".
however when you think about it, when this happened according to the wt teaching, jehovah still engaged with satan in the heavens (book of job) and had conversations with him about what was going on in the earth.. so why do the wt org practice shunning when jehovah god obviously didn't?.
BLUES BROTHER:
Yes, that phrase leaving Jehovah is used to describe somebody who wants nothing more to do with the abusive, lying and controlling religion. They are running from high-control, unnatural intrusiveness and even stalking.
The picture is showing somebody (looks like a younger person) moving out and the family is sad. The reality in far too many cases is the family gave him an ultimatum that “it’s our way or the highway”.
tricky words .
perfectly good words go unused in writing and speaking.
their meaning isn't clear and the eye is 'tricked' by similarity to other words or sounds.. .
Did anybody mention my favorite? “Your” is all too commonly used instead of “you’re”?
”Your” is possessive as in “your shoes”.
“You’re” is the shortened form of “you are”.
I think this particular mistake and the use of gonna are as a result of laziness whereas most of the other mistakes mentioned are plain old ignorance of the English language and grammar.
Sometimes you can forget yourself and fall into bad habits. I’m guilty of using “ain’t” even though some do not consider it to be a legitimate word. ☺️
In today’s world, it is the rare person who has halfway decent grammar. Usually it is an older person. Too many younger people have awful spelling and grammar and get angry if it’s pointed out. They feel it should go out the window with other traditions.
i was in the cult for years about 40. fourth gen born in cult member or for me ex cult member.
i have seen so many cult members who don't seem to really care if the end is near or not.
they are much more concerned with the idea that this is their social network and they need and or want it just the way it is.
DIOGENESISTER:
Regarding the 1975 comment mentioned by that poster: it’s shocking.
I wondered if the deceased may have done something extreme like sell his house and possessions and lived off the proceeds like some JWs did!..Then when 1975 came and went and everybody heard ‘crickets’..he had to start all over again possibly struggling for the rest of his life(?) This is what I got out of that remark.
Well…history is apparently repeating itself to some degree because some JWs have done similar foolish things. More financial suicide. Again, selling homes and living off the proceeds, quitting jobs before retirement age to go where the ‘need is greater’ and running out of money and being OVER age sixty..in a bad economic world climate.. and with Covid no less! Who would want to be anywhere around these people?
study article 50. listen to the voice of the fine shepherd.
9 consider an experience that illustrates how jehovah can care for our material needs.
a couple in full-time service drove over an hour in their old car to pick up some sisters living at a refugee center and take them to a christian meeting.
FEDUPJW & OVERRATED:
It’s not just the fact that these particular people never really wanted to be part of the workforce and are truly deadbeats, but they criticized responsible people in congregations who had careers or full-time jobs!
I even remember some sister telling me she would ‘rather die than do what I did’. Meanwhile, I had a clean office job.
I accept the fact that these people never approved of me and chose to exclude me from their silly gatherings..But, I will NOT now accept any of them coming up to me asking for money..They’d be told to get lost or go ask their spiritual friends..This asking for money everywhere now is very annoying but it’s intolerable coming from Witnesses because of their hatred of secular work.
As far as the tradition that won’t die (somebody coming around with an envelope looking for $$ for JWs who barely worked):..I can’t tell other people what to do but I surely won’t tolerate this…In fact, I would certainly never go anywhere nowadays where I would be perceived as a target for anything!
study article 50. listen to the voice of the fine shepherd.
9 consider an experience that illustrates how jehovah can care for our material needs.
a couple in full-time service drove over an hour in their old car to pick up some sisters living at a refugee center and take them to a christian meeting.
OVERRATED:
Yes, you are so right. I hate to sound callous but I was treated so badly. Thankfully, I had the strength of character to stick to my guns and hold onto that job they all hated me for and am Retired.
I also wouldn’t want any of these JW ‘spiritual superstars’ coming up to me for a handout! If I knew of available jobs I would tell them and wish them Good Luck earning a living, which is what they should be doing…When you say where was the ‘creator’ to help them:..we all know the religion gives nothing. And I am angry at the fallacy that is STILL believed or half-believed (even by people on the forum)..that JWs who never wanted to work and are needy as a result are going to get an envelope stuffed with cash! How? Some chump goes around with an envelope cornering unwilling people to contribute money.
I would refuse them rudely which is why I’m Glad to not be in the religion anymore because this is what’s going on there.
study article 50. listen to the voice of the fine shepherd.
9 consider an experience that illustrates how jehovah can care for our material needs.
a couple in full-time service drove over an hour in their old car to pick up some sisters living at a refugee center and take them to a christian meeting.
NOWWHAT?:
Yes, and I’m GLAD I’m nowhere near any of these pioneers who never wanted to work!
When the shit finally hits the fan for these particular JWs (and it has for many by now)..anybody within earshot or arms-length will be targeted to give money or ‘help’ them out because they will be in panic mode. Any responsible people still left in the congregations are going to be hit up for money time after time like they were ATM machines.
Even if I didn’t disagree with many teachings within the JW religion, this situation with all the deadbeats there in and of itself would be a reason I would stay the hell away!
i was in the cult for years about 40. fourth gen born in cult member or for me ex cult member.
i have seen so many cult members who don't seem to really care if the end is near or not.
they are much more concerned with the idea that this is their social network and they need and or want it just the way it is.
PISTOLPETE
I agree with you that the JWs who are still in are ‘true believers’.
The ones I know also have something else in common:..they are ones who never got a decent job or career and instead pioneered, lived on the edge or got low paying jobs that were close by so they wouldn’t miss meetings. Now these people are over sixty and struggling and complaining about how bad everything is..One gets monetary assistance from non-JW relatives.
Naturally, these people would be wishing for the end of the ‘system’.
TRUTHBKNOWN:
I also believe that JWs who are materially well-off and prospering are not eager to see the End of the system and just want to live out their lives. IMO, No sensible person is really eager to suffer through any ‘great tribulation’!
