Posts by LongHairGal

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Retirement savings

by TxNVSue2023 in

what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

i know it changed.

pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

LongHairGal

ANONY MOUS:

Of that 20%, how many are really wealthy?? Or, are they just gainfully employed and live well and look rich.. And not all are kissing up to COs.

It was my observation that Witnesses are terribly envious and imagine if somebody has a little something - they should throw money around like confetti..to people who never wanted to work no less.

I was a working woman criticized and shunned for my full-time job. Thankfully, I never listened or I wouldn’t have retired.. Do you imagine I am going to tolerate being targeted to give money to those who didn’t work?? 🤣 I don’t think so.. This is plainly a wrong assumption on the part of too many Witnesses. This isn’t even like 30 years ago when somebody got a bag of groceries for someone until they got back on their feet.. These people who made it to retirement age BROKE aren’t getting back on their feet and will expect handouts for the rest of their lives! This is the proverbial handwriting on the wall.

This why I’m Glad I left the JW religion decades ago.

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Retirement savings

by TxNVSue2023 in

what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

i know it changed.

pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

LongHairGal

JHINE:

Who knows if ‘Sue’ is even reading these posts? They should, even if it’s only for entertainment purposes. It’s highly probable this person doesn’t really know what 1975 was about.

I never found out the whole story of 1975 until I was out of the religion and read stories about it. (Certainly, older JWs who lived through this didn’t talk about it.).. So, it remained secret and younger JWs never heard about it. Some made similar foolish mistakes of quitting jobs to go ‘where the need was great’ before actual retirement age, etc. and ending up broke.

If people knew about the 1975 failure they might not have done these things.

YES, similar things happened again on a smaller scale maybe in the nineties or so.. all because of the secrecy in the religion.

As to your question, what does anybody’s finances have to do with the GB: the real answer is absolutely nothing.. But, because JWs is a cult/high control religion, they want subservient and stupid people there. This usually means uneducated and that frequently means broke. The people there were always nosey and in everybody’s business. Unfortunately, too many gullible people blabbed about their personal business - very unwise! If you were a single woman like I was, these idiots imagined they could come up to you and ask/say anything - which I doubt they would have done to a married person.. I’m just Glad that they never influenced me to do any of these foolish and risky things.

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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

by smiddy3 in

i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

to break the law?.

LongHairGal

I don’t know how everybody else feels, but am I supposed to feel sorry for these elders?? Sorry, but I don’t.

Of course, it might seem it’s all very unfair because they were just following orders.

The fact is that in all ways the elders are upholding the religion’s teachings. For instance: elders who secretly plan for their own retirement but yet preach the religion’s pushing poverty from the platform, thus dooming gullible individuals there to poverty in older age.. They had to have known they were dishonest lying rats for preaching hypocrisy!

With regard to the recent CSA scandals, any elder with an ounce of intelligence should get the hell out - and possibly get a lawyer as well because they may need one!

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Retirement savings

by TxNVSue2023 in

what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

i know it changed.

pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

LongHairGal

DESIROUS OF CHANGE:

While it’s nice to hear some Witnesses are smart enough to know they have to plan… the hypocrisy cannot be tolerated!

I am glad I had the strength of character to resist the pressure put on me by older JWs back when I was a young working woman. I held onto my job.. In the ‘90s (after ‘95 when I was PIMO and preparing my ‘Fade’) an elder made a slip of the tongue in conversation. He admitted he was working extra to prepare for retirement.. But, then he backtracked and tried to change what he said.

Of course, I saw through it all. They (elders and certain others) don’t want to be quoted as saying they are ‘preparing for their retirement’ or $aving!.. Unfortunately, and very sadly, gullible and younger people in the congregation didn’t prepare and today are suffering.. Words cannot describe how I have no use for this religion.

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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?

by TxNVSue2023 in

even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

i still belive this is the truth.

i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.

LongHairGal

TXNVSUE2023:

Call me a cynic but I don’t think there is a ‘true’ religion!

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Retirement savings

by TxNVSue2023 in

what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

i know it changed.

pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

LongHairGal

JOURNEYMAN:

Not to get off track from the OP. I came into the Witness religion in the late 1970s - and was not yet there in 1975.

But, during most of the years you mention (the 1980s), I was knocked for having my full-time job, regardless of any so-called more ‘favorable’ views towards savings and financial planning that you mention!

In fact, I would have to say it seemed the pressure put on me to pioneer was at its height during that timeframe. They were expecting me to pursue poverty. Is this Hypocrisy? ..I’m just so Grateful today that I never listened to the JW religion.

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Retirement savings

by TxNVSue2023 in

what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

i know it changed.

pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

LongHairGal

TXNVSUE2023:

Wow, you must be out a long time because the JW religion is still against college/careers and also preparing for the future!

I am retired today because I did NOT listen to the Witnesses years ago telling me to quit my full-time job and do housecleaning and pioneering!.. Older busybodies with cushy lives were telling young people back then they would never see old age or retirement in ‘this system’.

The congregations now have many needy people who HAVE reached senior years totally unprepared!. (The old busybodies who preached poverty are not even around to help them).. If you go back to the religion again, do not be surprised if brothers corner you with an envelope looking for monies to give to people there who never wanted to work.

This is why I am super Glad I’m long ‘Faded’ from the religion.

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Sagely advice of a CO

by Vidqun in

“a circuit overseer started out by saying that on this last round of the circuit, the one thing he noticed the most...is that everyone is physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually drained...and that cuts across all barriers and demographics within the truth.

he then said that the one common thread that ran among nearly everyone was this: we feel guilty for feeling bad.

he said because we are told to endure with joy, our minds can cause us to feel enormous guilt over feeling this way...and then, my dear brothers and sisters...he proceeded to blow our collective minds.. he asked us to turn to daniel 8:27….

LongHairGal

VIDQUN:

Yes, all the Baby Boomers are drained and have had it. They reached an age they never expected to see ‘in this system’ and because of that they did not prepare financially, etc…. I believe they are hanging on to the religion because of the ‘sunk cost fallacy’.

I’m so Glad I ‘Faded’ years ago.

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Aftermath of being Reinstated

by TxNVSue2023 in

i'm in the process of being reinstated ( my df'ing story is on here).

because i've never been in this position before, i don't know how i will be treated once i'm reinstated.

i moved to a new city/state and i don't know a single person here or in my new congregation i am attending.

LongHairGal

BALAAMSASS2:

You got that right about ‘not kissing up to people’ 🤮. I never would have done this even if I wasn’t criticized over my job.👎

Also, you are correct about throwing money around.. Since many JWs are Users, in my opinion, they would gravitate towards somebody fool enough to do this. That’s why when a generous/spendthrift person leaves the religion they are often pursued - because they’re considered an asset.

But who wants to be wanted for what they could give to ingrates who would forget them as soon as the goodies stopped??? I would imagine some poor soul with serious low self-esteem issues!.. I hope for the OP’s sake they are reading these posts (even if it’s for entertainment) and considering everything.

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Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?

by Teddnzo in

multiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?

larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.

many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.

LongHairGal

TEDDNZO:

NO, I do not think this will bring the JW religion down! This is wishful thinking, unfortunately.

At most, it might cause some younger people and/or fence sitters to leave. But, the rest of the older ‘Boomers’ with their sunk-cost fallacy ain’t going anywhere. It would not matter WHAT scandal happened.

The only sure thing that is going to decimate this religion is the demise of these Baby Boomers, in my opinion. They are what is keeping the religion afloat. Also, take into account the younger family members who are only attending now for the sake of these older family members. Once these older JWs are gone, some younger people will never go again.. They hate this religion so much that I’m certain some will never again set foot in a Kingdom Hall after the funeral talk.