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  Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

  by Enzo in

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  2. beliefs

  hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

  recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

  but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

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  Need help with the door?
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  Great Music

  by Berengaria in

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  2. entertainment

  it appears that many of the best music threads have been purged.

  i can't imagine the formula that would eliminate such wonderousness while preserving "involuntary muscular contractions", but so it is.. the first offering.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh2vh8jwyqa.

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  ahh Primus. Been a long time since I sailed the seas of cheese. I wonder if Les Claypool has finished his tour of our fine planet.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfwUJzYQg
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  Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

  by Enzo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

  recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

  but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

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  Good link, Para

  Lifton's definitions were proverbial nails in the coffin for any residual doubts about the org. Mainly because they weren't specifically aimed at the jw world and thus didn't have a bias or motive yet completely encompass the microcosm that it is.

  I've never read Hassan's books though I hear they're good ;)
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  The fallacy of 'spirituality'.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  leaving the watchtower does not mean leaving god.

  many here have been able to maintain a relationship with god without the need for a set of beliefs or a creed or any organised system of worship at all.

  no churches, meeting halls or study groups are necessary just a deeply held conviction in the goodness of god and the value of a personal relationship with him.. such believers often stress 'spirituality' over religion.. now i don't mean to denigrate anyone's beliefs and no offence is intended but really, is a 'spiritual' approach to life any better for our mental and emotional well-being than being part of an organised religion?

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  BTTT
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  Cairns On Mars !

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2006/109/spirit-rock-growth.htm.

  sometimes it seems like the really cool stuff on mars is always in the distance.

  maybe martian celts built it.

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  Well played Terry, well played...
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  It is the ideology that allows and nurtures the radicalisation of Extremists, the clue is in the last word, you could not have extremists if there were not the more moderate ones.

  Which is my point; there are moderates in any ideology, of which the extremists are not a fair representation.
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  Is there a problem with JWN web pages ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  just wondering if anyone else is having problems with jwn pages widening .. clicking on the widen icon doesn't do anything .

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  huh, all this time, using the zoom on my browser...

  learn something new every day

  lol
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. [ 1 ] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

  The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition. [ 2 ] [ 3 ]

  This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

  What would you consider is being misrepresented here?
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  This was the attitude of Joshua's baby-killers, and the crusaders, and the conquistadors, and the inquisitors and the Taliban and ISIS.

  This is why theism is not just silly, it is dangerous and ought to be opposed and ridiculed relentlessly.

  I might suggest that not all christians are murderers, from my observations.

  Fanatics and extremists rain on any parade of course but these exist on most sides of a fence. That Stalin was atheist and killed millions for an ideology does not make atheism evil.

  Is it the ideology or the person that makes something dangerous?
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  Question for the nonbelievers and atheists

  by nykid in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what specifically made you stop believing in god and the bible?

  was it a steady road of doubts or it was reading one book or one major event that made you realize the bible was not what it's claimed to be?.

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  What specifically made you stop believing in God and the Bible?

  The problem of evil

  Lack of evidence, or rather, redefining what evidence really is

  The history of and division on both subjects

  Sex, drugs and rock n roll

  Was it a steady road of doubts or it was reading one book or one major event that made you realize the Bible was not what it's claimed to be?

  My doubts began in my early teens and by the end of them, I left the religion. Leaving belief completely took a bit longer but it was interesting to explore other angles and try to understand other people's beliefs. It still is, actually

  I do recall significant events, discussions and personal revelations along the way that swayed my convictions but no one particular "aha" moment.