Good luck at the conference Blondie. But it just amazes me how the JW’s avoid most of the negative press. Must have a damn good public relations team.
jula71
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Ky. Diocese to Pay $120M in Sex Abuse Case
by jula71 in.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_settlement
it will be interesting if this sends out shock waves and how it could affect the dub's.
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Ky. Diocese to Pay $120M in Sex Abuse Case
by jula71 in.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_settlement
it will be interesting if this sends out shock waves and how it could affect the dub's.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_settlement
It will be interesting if this sends out shock waves and how it could affect the dub's.
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Do JWs believe in "signs"
by Shawn indo jws believe that god can use mundane everyday things to show his will?
my friend says she doesn't believe in signs, i am wondering if this is a jw mindset or her personal one.
it is something i have asked her and she said it was her beliefe but i wonder how much the wts had to do with it.
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They defiantly believe in signs. It’s pretty funny actually. Every time someone in the UN as much as hiccups, I hear from my family they’re ready to turn on religion!! The end is almost here!! They are very wrapped up in watching world news looking for anything they can attach a prophesy to.
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the forgotten 607 date! (sorry)
by Cordelia inhey everyone sirona pointed out to me today that i had not repilied on the thread i started on the last page about the 607 date.
truth is i forgot!
i think id had a drink when i put it on, coz i almost started another the other day!
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so i just wanted to say a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who posted on it (except maybe scholar!)
Well Cord, I would like to thank scholar for posting. He shows just how ridiculous the argument FOR 607 really is, based on nothing. He made my resolve in believing I'm doing the right thing that much stronger.
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Fleaman, Dave Mustaine was raised a Dub but I don't think think it really affected him to much....although some of his lyrics dabble with the "occult"
Here's a link to a interview where he talks about it: http://megadeth.rockmetal.art.pl/interviews_hitparader1987.html
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I was always a fan of theirs, but I didn't know about the cult connection. That one song, really hit home with me.
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Just saw a documentary on Metallica, seems James Hetfield, lead singer, had a rough childhood growing up in a cult-like home. His parents were strict Christian Science followers even to the point of watching his mother die of a very treatable cancer. I was amazed at how his experience mirrors the JW while growing up. After he learned it was a sham he grew angry and very bitter, much like how I feel. He even wrote a couple songs about it, here are the lyrics to one. Tell me who all can relate:
Dyers Eve Dear mother
Dear father
What is this hell you have put me through
Believer
Deceiver
Day in day out live my life through you
Pushed onto me what’s wrong or right
Hidden from this thing that they call life
Dear mother
Dear father
Every thought I’d think you’d disapprove
Curator
Dictator
Always cencoring my every move
Children are seen bur are not heard
Tear out everything inspired
Innocence
Torn from me without your shelter
Barred reality
I’m living blindly
Dear mother
Dear father
Time has frozen still what’s left to be
Hear nothing
Say nothing
Cannot face the fact I think for me
No guarantee,it’s life as is
But damn you for not giving me my chance
Dear mother
Dear father
You’ve clipped my wings before I learnt to fly
Unspoiled
Unspoken
I’ve outgrown that fucking lullaby
Same thing I’ve always heard from you
Do as I say not as I do
Innocence
Torn from me without your shelter
Barred reality
I’m living blindly
I’m in hell without you
Cannot cope without you two
Shocked at the world that I see
Innocent victim please rescue me
Dear mother
Dear father
Hidden in your world you’ve made for me
I’m seething
I’m bleeding
Ripping wounds in me that never heal
Undying spite I feel for you
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Believe it or not?
by skyman into make every one smile please take a moment out of your lives and watch a clip from abc news about a man that claims he is a prophet of jehovah.
he can do something true amazing.
post what you think about this if you would here is the link http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=yahwehufo
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Wow...having seen the tape......I don't know what to think.
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607 date
by Cordelia inive just left the jws well got dfed a month ago!
but family want me back so im trying to prove to myself that it isnt true, top get the strength not to go back,i heard the 607 date may be false, can anyone show me about that, i know exactly what the jws say and cant believe the intial date is wrong, is it?
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Oh EF, we were doing do well together. The only thing the "Administration" said, from the beginning is, "because of 9/11 we have look at and act differently at states that sponsor terror." That is a true statement and it is not linking Iraq with 9/11. I'm no Bush fan; I didn't and wouldn't have voted for him, but I'm just being fair. He was elected on a conservative platform and promise of a small government. All he's done given away the farm spending increasing the size of government. I agree on the issue of Iraq but not much else with him.
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607 date
by Cordelia inive just left the jws well got dfed a month ago!
but family want me back so im trying to prove to myself that it isnt true, top get the strength not to go back,i heard the 607 date may be false, can anyone show me about that, i know exactly what the jws say and cant believe the intial date is wrong, is it?
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Sorry Scholar.......I've been one and been around JW's my whole life...I know all the little mind tricks. Ok in brief...Ya..537 is a real date, why? THERE IS EVIDENCE. Thus for the same reason I trust 586...THERE IS EVIDENCE. Try to think outside the box for a sec.....is there a chance the 70 years is wrong? What if I showed you FROM THE WT proof of 586?
I have to credit Alleymom for this:
From WT literature, we have the kings of Babylon and the length of their reigns:
Nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years
Evil-Merodach -- 2 years
Neriglissar -- 4 years
Labashi-Marduk -- assassinated within 9 months
Nabonidus -- 17 yearsThis agrees with the thousands of cuneiform tablets which show:
Nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years
Evil-Merodach -- 2 years
Neriglissar -- 4 years
Labashi-Marduk -- 3 months
Nabonidus -- 17 yearsHere are quotations from WT literature showing the lengths of each king's reign:
Nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years
*** it-2 p. 480 Nebuchadnezzar ***Nebuchadnezzar ruled as king for 43 years
*** w00 5/15 p. 12 Pay Attention to God's Prophetic Word for Our Day ***Learning that his father, Nabopolassar, had died, this young man named Nebuchadnezzar took the throne in 624 B.C.E. During his 43-year reign...
*** w86 11/1 p. 5 A Dream Reveals How Late It Is ***Since Nebuchadnezzar reigned for 43 years (624-581 B.C.E.), this is a reasonable conclusion.
*** dp chap. 7 p. 99 Four Words That Changed the World ***Proud King Nebuchadnezzar's 43-year reign in Babylon ended with his death in 582 B.C.E.
*** dp chap. 4 pp. 50-51 The Rise and Fall of an Immense Image *** 9 Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned for 43 years, headed a dynasty that ruled over the Babylonian Empire. It included his son-in-law Nabonidus and his oldest son, Evil-merodach. That dynasty continued for 43 more years, until the death of Nabonidus' son Belshazzar, in 539 B.C.E
*** it-1 pp. 238-239 Babylon ***Finally, after a 43-year reign, which included both conquest of many nations and a grand building program in Babylonia itself, Nebuchadnezzar II died in October of 582 B.C.E. and was succeeded by Awil-Marduk (Evil-merodach). This new ruler showed kindness to captive King Jehoiachin. (2Ki 25:27-30) Little is known about the reigns of Neriglissar, evidently the successor of Evil-merodach, and of Labashi-Marduk.Evil-Merodach --- 2 years
*** w65 1/1 p. 29 The Rejoicing of the Wicked Is Short-lived *** Evil-merodach reigned two years and was murdered by his brother-in-law Neriglissar, who reigned for four years, which time he spent mainly in building operations. His underage son Labashi-Marduk, a vicious boy, succeeded him, and was assassinated within nine months. Nabonidus, who had served as governor of Babylon and who had been Nebuchadnezzar's favorite son-in-law, took the throne and had a fairly glorious reign until Babylon fell in 539 B.C.E.
*** it-1 p. 453 Chronology *** For Awil-Marduk (Evil-merodach, 2Ki 25:27, 28), tablets dated up to his second year of rule have been found. For Neriglissar, considered to be the successor of Awil-Marduk, contract tablets are known dated to his fourth year
*** kc p. 186 Appendix to Chapter 14 ***Nabonidus Harran Stele (NABON H 1, B): This contemporary stele, or pillar with an inscription, was discovered in 1956. It mentions the reigns of the Neo-Babylonian kings Nebuchadnezzar, Evil-Merodach, Neriglissar. The figures given for these three agree with those from Ptolemy's Canon.Neriglissar -- 4 years
w65 1/1 p. 29 The Rejoicing of the Wicked Is Short-lived ***Evil-merodach reigned two years and was murdered by his brother-in-law***
Neriglissar, who reigned for four years, which time he spent mainly in building operations. His underage son Labashi-Marduk, a vicious boy, succeeded him, and was assassinated within nine months. Nabonidus, who had served as governor of Babylon and who had been Nebuchadnezzar's favorite son-in-law, took the throne and had a fairly glorious reign until Babylon fell in 539 B.C.E.
Labashi-Marduk -- less than a year
*** dx30-85 Labashi-Marduk ***
LABASHI-MARDUK
king of Babylon: w65 29; bf 183-4
*** w65 1/1 p. 29 The Rejoicing of the Wicked Is Short-lived ***
Evil-merodach reigned two years and was murdered by his brother-in-law Neriglissar, who reigned for four years, which time he spent mainly in building operations. His underage son Labashi-Marduk, a vicious boy, succeeded him, and was assassinated within nine months . Nabonidus, who had served as governor of Babylon and who had been Nebuchadnezzar's favorite son-in-law, took the throne and had a fairly glorious reign until Babylon fell in 539 B.C.E.Nabonidus -- 17 years
*** it-2 p. 457 Nabonidus ***
NABONIDUS
(Nab·o·ni´dus) [from Babylonian meaning "Nebo [a Babylonian god] Is Exalted"].
Last supreme monarch of the Babylonian Empire; father of Belshazzar. On the basis of cuneiform texts he is believed to have ruled some 17 years (556-539 B.C.E.).
*** w68 8/15 p. 491 The Book of Truthful Historical Dates *** 17 Other investigators say this: "The Nabunaid Chronicle . . . states that Sippar fell to Persian forces VII/14/17* (Oct. 10, 539), that Babylon fell VII/16/17 (Oct. 12), and that Cyrus entered Babylon VIII/3/17 (Oct. 29). This fixes the end of Nabunaid's reign and the beginning of the reign of Cyrus. Interestingly enough, the last tablet dated to Nabunaid from Uruk is dated the day after Babylon fell to Cyrus. News of its capture had not yet reached the southern city some 125 miles distant."-Brown University Studies, Vol. XIX, Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C.-A.D. 75, Parker and Dubberstein, 1956, p. 13. Footnote" VII/14/17 ": The 7th Hebrew month Tishri, 14th day, 17th year of Nabonidus' reign.So there you have it.
If you start with the WTS's
own date of 539 for the fall of Babylon and count backwards through the Kings of Babylon for each year of their reigns, you arrive at 586/587 for Nebuchadnezzar's 18 th /19 th year, when he destroyed Jerusalem