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  Stem Cell Research article

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's wall street journal there was an excellent article about stem cell research.

  the united states used to be number 1 in science research.

  we are now number 2 and continually on the decline even more.

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  EvilForce

  It's completely rational and logical..... TO YOU! Not to me. LOL.
  
  Deciding that a fetus is a "human" at the stage of viability is just as logical and rational as your assertion.
  
  Yes you may debate well. But what about rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty for your beliefs? Get's harder. Also, we will never really face the decision since you and I are men. It's like me defining the only acceptable woman I find attractive IF I was straight and you telling me the only acceptable man you would date...if only you were gay. LOL
  
  While "fighting" abortion may be futile as you say can't you encourage adoption or alternatives to abortion by supporting those causes with your time and money? I'm back harping on the "put your money where your mouth is".
  I thought as you did when I was your age so there is still hope for you. :)
  
  Since you are arguing from a chromosomes point of view, what about clones then? Are cloned cells and clones automatically human life???
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  Bush - Idiot Hypocrite

  by Simon in

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  jerusalem - president bush said on israeli television he could consider using force as a last resort to press iran to give up its nuclear program..

  erm ... doesn't israel have nuclear weapons?

  i guess they are allowed to do what they want eh?

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  EvilForce

  U/D of course you are welcome. What I was noting is that you pop in to tell us how much time we are wasting. You attempt to devalue what WE find important...hence I find it a bit annoying honestly. I say..."don't like a topic or set of topics...don't read em". I rarely click on the medical threads on this board simply because I don't want to "shop talk". Having something else to talk about is nice. You pontificating to us on how silly we are and wasting our time on it seems a bit insincere. That's all I'm saying.
  
  You are right on this board get anti-American at times and I will cry foul when I see it. I'm a firm believer that if a mod/adimin posts on a certain thread they lose the right to object to someone voicing an opposing view. I value many of these people's views but think some get a bit too over the top. While I'm not blindly pro-American I do think I hold my country up to a critical standard. Also on the one of the "other" ExJW boards it is WAAAY more conservative than JWD.
  
  Now having said my peace on the US being hypocritical in pursuing tactical nukes....I in no way, shape, or form advocating that the Iranian Crazy Bastard Mullah-Atilla-The-Hun should get nukes. We should do everything in our power to stop this. And I say bombs away on any nuke factories. I'd rather fight a mad suicide bomber than a crazy nuclear armed Mullah.
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  Stem Cell Research article

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's wall street journal there was an excellent article about stem cell research.

  the united states used to be number 1 in science research.

  we are now number 2 and continually on the decline even more.

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  EvilForce

  When it comes to funding there are politics involved surely. But all claims are subject to peer review and other procedures before actually moving on. It is in fact the media that usually hypes these findings. "Cure for Cancer on Horizon" sells newspapers. "Identification of a polyclonal B-cell activator in Plasmodium Falciparum Shows Great Promise In Malaria Subset" doesn't quite cut the mustard.
  
  While talking about young / old is a biological reality. The significance which you assign to each is an artificial or value judgement. You have to see this. Denying this is illogical. It is YOUR PERSONAL philosophy. And that's ok. But don't LIMIT my choices by denying the activities that I choose to pursue. Fine....have your groups pay for alternative research using cells you find appropriate. Just don't stop my supported groups.
  
  You said you would gladly pay extra. (This isn't even entirely possible, but for the sake of debate ...ok) How much extra are you willing to pay? How much can we raise taxes or cut other spending to do this? Money is a finite resource. The stem cells being harvested now would otherwise be thrown in the trash....ok incinerator. Can I ask how much you spend on anti-abortion activities? How much you donate time & effort to said causes? Do you promote adoption alternatives locally? Your profile says you are 18 and I think you are in school so I can guess at your answers.
  
  However...my debate stands to the white picket fence, 1/2 acre, SUV driving, suburbanite, Republicans, making $ 100,000+ that are anti-abortion. When I ask them specifically what they do....they stammer.....hymm....haw......for once they have to get their hands dirty with ACTUAL effort to put behind their ideology....well they fold like a deck of cards.
  
  I agree pro-life / pro-choice is silly. Let's call it what it is.
  
  This would be like having a deer killed because it got hit by a car. But you take the stand that since it's not "deer season" you shouldn't eat the meat. So leaving the carcass on the road to rot benefits no one. But you have held to your moral / law abiding standard. These stem cells exist. If not used will be discarded with the trash.
  
  Women are not getting abortions to donate stem cells. They have made a decision to terminate a pregnancy for whatever reason. Shouldn't some good come from the "sacrifice of the fetus"? Otherwise it's just like the deer carcass on the side of the road.
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  im out of my mind????

  by tsunami_rid3r in

  1. jw
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  a girl i met at camp spammed my text messages from aim.

  i logged on and she was afk and i spammed her with repeated "lol" and then said "now what yea thats right".

  then later that night she sent me another text through aim saying im out of my mind.

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  EvilForce

  Um....I don't care about her.....can you get a little futher from the mirror when you take you pic for the avatar??? LOL
  
  I like the hat!
  
  My advice....keep in mind I'm gay so have zero experience in what women want.....pick up the phone, call her, ask her out on a date for next weekend.
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  Stem Cell Research article

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's wall street journal there was an excellent article about stem cell research.

  the united states used to be number 1 in science research.

  we are now number 2 and continually on the decline even more.

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  EvilForce

  Class....just as you have put an artificial judgement on other species in which to eat. You have put an artificial judgement on your own superiority. I find the killing of innocent animals for food rather distasteful and inhumane. Yet I will not infringe on your right to choose otherwise.
  
  I will also not infringe on your right to decline any medical procedure or treatment you do not agree with.
  
  But you see Class.... folks like you are trying to push YOUR PHILOSOPHY and value judgements down my throat. You are trying to stop me from excercising my rights as to what I use as MY value judgements for my own medical care and those I seek to offer my patients.
  
  Using rabid to describe anti abortionists was not meant to offend you. I'm sorry if it offended you and retract it. Rabid according to Websters means: b : going to extreme lengths in expressing or pursuing a feeling, interest, or opinion. I feel/felt anti abortionist go to extreme lengths. Maybe it's a matter of semantics.
  
  Talk to someone with degenerative nerve damage about how they should respect the dignity of life while they are slowly becoming shells of their former self day by day losing all their supposed humanity. It's heart wrenching.
  
  Before you claim that the science behind these claims are hyped perhaps you should investigate some of them. I remember back in 1986 when popular newsrags said that HIV/AIDS would be untreatable.....that until we could harness genetics and change eye color HIV/AIDS would never be treatable. WRONG!
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  Stem Cell Research article

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's wall street journal there was an excellent article about stem cell research.

  the united states used to be number 1 in science research.

  we are now number 2 and continually on the decline even more.

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  EvilForce

  Class....you are surely going to tell me you are either vegan or vegetarian are you not? Surely a higher form of life such as an octupus, cow, or pig shouldn't be sacrificed on the alter of the BBQ grill should it?
  
  What about all those pesky embryos that don't attach properly to the uterine wall? Not viable eh? If it is life should it not be able to fend for itself somehow? You assign artificial values to when, how, where life begins.
  
  I was not insulting you by calling you a man was I? I said it was funny how the most rabid anti-abortionist were men. How is that an insult? It was an observation. Quite an astute one I might add.
  
  Are you swearing an oath to never, ever use a procedure or treatment that utilizes embryonic stem cell research? Can you make that vow?
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  Stem Cell Research article

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's wall street journal there was an excellent article about stem cell research.

  the united states used to be number 1 in science research.

  we are now number 2 and continually on the decline even more.

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  EvilForce

  I do not see the ethical stand you take. It's a moral judgement you make. An artificial parameter. It's one thing to sit in an ivory tower on your golden throne pontificating to the masses on the nobility of poverty. There are many cures, procedures, and treatments that were developed under "questionable" ethics. Again I challenge you that under duress you may just change your stance. While my statements are non-PC I assure you when it comes down to "brass tacks" you'd be surprised how you can see quite clearly past so-called ethical challenges.
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  Stem Cell Research article

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's wall street journal there was an excellent article about stem cell research.

  the united states used to be number 1 in science research.

  we are now number 2 and continually on the decline even more.

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  EvilForce

  Why is it that all rabid anti-abortionists are always men? Go figure.
  
  Hey if it's me or the lump of cells....too bad I win.
  If it's me or the fetal stem cell tissue....too bad I win.
  If a Chinese prisioner is selling a redundant organ to support his family for the rest of their life....too bad I win.
  
  Yup, I'm a greedy life loving pig. Nope it's not PC. It ain't pretty. But pontificating on how you would pass on a life saving operation using some discarded fetal tissue. I call bullshite!
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  Just Accept it!!!

  by Shining One in

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  here's a quote from the scientific community about the consciousness: just accept it!

  "those things in a way didn't need to evolve," said chalmers.

  "they were part of the fundamental furniture of the world all along.

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  EvilForce

  Tetra... I was thinking more along the lines of keeping it at the bottom of the birdcage.
  
  The National Inquirer is the Journal of American Medicine by comparison.
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  a question of conscience

  by KAYTEE in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear lurkers/trolls or whatever you consider yourselves to be,.

  how can you read all of the info on this forum regarding un scandal, alleged paedophilia, failed prophecies, u-turn on blood etc.

  and not have your conscience affected before jehovah.

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  EvilForce

  Defd.....what "food" exactly are you getting?
  What new insight are they sharing Defd?
  I read the Watchtower Blondie posts here and there. NOTHING NEW. NOTHING! Same old tired catch phrases and control mechanisms. Please, please tell me what "food at the appropriate time" they are serving up? It's spirtual leftovers.
  I challenge you to find something new and insightful that they have served up in the past 12 years since I have left. Heck....20 years.
  Defd...honestly....look around your congo and see how many people would TRULY go out of their way and possibly risk life or limb for you. How many?