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  On a whim, stopped by the library for books on Jerusalems destruction

  by ithinkisee in

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  so i was driving by the library on my way home today and remembered i do have a library card and decided to go in and do my own research on 607 bce.

  i figured i might find a book or two in our little old library.

  i did a search on the library's computers for "jerusalem history" and got a handful of books ... i wrote down the dewey decimal number (or whatever it is) of one of them (they are all in the same general section) and headed to the reference wing of the library.

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  EvilForce

  World Book Encyclopedia:
  Jeremiah began prophesying about 627 B.C. He continued as a prophetic voice during the fall of the kingdom of Judah to the Babylonians and the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 587 or 586 B.C. His prophecies also continued into the exile that followed.
  
  Encyclopedia Brittanica:
  When David captured Jerusalem, he moved the Ark of the Covenant there. As the site for a temple, he selected Mount Moriah, or the Temple Mount, where it was believed that Abraham had built his altar to sacrifice Isaac. The First Temple was constructed under David's son Solomon and was completed in 957 BC. It contained three rooms: a vestibule, the main room for religious services, and the Holy of Holies. From the time of Josiah, it was designated as the only place for sacrifice in Judah. It was destroyed during the Babylonian conquest in 586 BC.
  
  Columbia Encyclopedia:
  After a siege of about a year, Jerusalem was finally destroyed in 586 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar was a splendid builder, and Babylon with its hanging gardens was then the greatest city of the ancient world. However, Babylon was shortly to fall under conquest when Nabonidus was king. The book of Daniel depicts Nebuchadnezzar as a conceited and domineering king and tells of his going mad and eating grass. He is also called Nebuchadrezzar or Nebuchodonosor.
  
  Catholic Encyclopedia
  A few Jerusalem facts:
  
  Jerusalem is located on a high ridge, consisting of 3 hills. Along the east of the city is the Kidron Valley (in which runs the Brook Kidron, including the Pool of Gihon), to the south is the Valley of Hinnom, to the west is the Valley of Gehenna. The Mount of Olives, where Jesus was arrested, is just to the east, across the Kidron Valley. Archaeological studies indicate that the city is very ancient, having been established perhaps more than 2,000 years before it was captured from the Jebusites by King David of Israel, about 1,000 B.C. Jerusalem had earlier been named Salem (Genesis 14:18) and Jebus (1 Chronicles 11:4). Salem meant peace. The city is mentioned throughout the Bible, over 600 times in the Old Testament, less in the New Testament. The first mention of the name Jerusalem is found in Joshua chapter 10. The first Temple was constructed by Solomon over a period of about 12 years, with completion being around 950 B.C. The original Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar about 587 B.C. The first Temple lasted only about 360 years. The Herodian Temple, as constructed later by Herod the Great, existed at the time of Jesus Christ. It was a continuation of the earlier reconstruction work done by Jews who had been allowed to return by the Persians after the Babylonian Captivity. The second Temple was destroyed by the Roman Army under Titus in 70 A.D. at the conclusion of the Jewish War.
  
  Bible.org :
  Fall of Jerusalem December/January 586/587
  
  When I did research about this before I consulted no fewer than 12 different sources. ALL 586/587...go figure.
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  Apostasy - A Racist Movement?

  by slimboyfat in

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  firpo carr argues that while many white apostates claim to highlight so-called 'racist' remarks and terminology in the watchtower literature, most such apostates are in fact white and have little real interest in black issues.

  they are only interested in the issue in so far as they can use it to promote white anti-witness propaganda, whereas a high percentage of loyal witnesses are black.

  i know that all the terms of my topic are debatable: apostacy is a witness term of derogation; apostates probably are mostly liberal and not racist (essentially); and they are not a 'movement' in any case.

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  Smelly your simplistic and nim witted comments on this thread are as bad as a Dr. Suess book. Never tease a weasel, no never once or twice, no never tease a weasel, no it's not very nice.
  Your own limited life experience, world travel, and higher education show themselves quite clearly in your posts Smelly. You can take the boy out of the Kingdumb Hall but you cannot take the Kingdumb Hall out of the boy.
  Have you bothered to do ANY research into your comments before you posted them? NO!
  There are Meet Up ex Jo Ho groups around the world. There is both a large Brazilian and Mexican gay ex-Jo Ho chapters of A Common Bond. There are at least 7 sites in spanish for these folks that I uncovered in 10 minutes of google searching.
  Let's think for just a moment why we not be "overwhelmed" with apostates from Latin America? First off have you bothered to look up the figures at how many Jo Ho's there are in Latin America? There are a million in the USA. In the largest 4 latin American countries of Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Guatamala, and El Salvador, there are only about 90,000. On top of the pool being so much smaller....the socio-economic status of these folks is a fraction of America's. Jo Ho's tend to be less educated and poorer than the general masses. Many if not most Latin Americans cannot afford their own computer and internet connection. If they do use the internet it usually is at internet cafes.
  Use that God given brain of yours and put it to use before pushing the "submit" button next time.
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  Just want to tell you all I am drunk

  by stillajwexelder in

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  so i do not give a shit if a mod locks this thread i am drunk - on my 4th margarrittta and i mix 1 part tequilla to 1 part mixer so they are strong and one can really taste the tequilla - and i am drunk and do not give a shit - oh and by the way i am not going on field service in the morning

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  Ugh...those Smirnoff things are sooo nasty. They are sickening sweet to me. The watermelon one is horrid as well. After gagging trying both of those flavors I went back to my bottle of Pinot Noir.
  I don't drink any kind of soda or "sports" drinks. I just can't take the sweetness of that stuff.
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  How do you trust your partner?

  by sonnyboy in

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  does anyone really trust their girlfriend/boyfriend around members of the appropriate sex?.

  i thought we had some form of trust, but i dropped my biotch off at the car dealership today and noticed a rather long conversation going on with a "questionable" neighbor (one that we've talked about before in a sexual way).

  so, how do you go about building trust in a relationship?

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  Sonny....she sounds like she's still enjoying "playing games". How tiring.
  IMHO men are undatable until 30...women 25. Anything under that is usually a waste of time. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule...but very few.
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  Problems in paradise

  by gringojj in

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  i know there are a ton of problems with the idea of paradise.

  i was just thinking about how much sense it doesnt make.

  for example how is it supposed to work as far as housing arrangements?

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  There would always be a Sunday talk or assembly part on how paradise will be. The Jo Ho's would always comment on how things will be. They would bring up the most inane things and proclaim them fact. When I would question these things I was told "you must wait on Jehoba, you are showing a lack of faith". Um....wait a minute....you can comment with sheer certainty about HOW THINGS WILL BE.....and then I'm showing lack of faith by pointing out inconsistencies with these "FACTS"?
  I'd ask why are all the people in the pictures wearing clothes......we'll be perfect therefore naked right? No...it's too cold because of the flood changing the atmosphere.
  In paradise God will take care of our every want....since we will need to give up eating meat....he'll create "meat trees". Trees that's fruit is just like meat. I'd ask "Um...won't WE have to make some sacrifices since it is paradise?" - No God will remove all our imperfections and make us the way he wants. Hmmm....ok, well why wouldn't he just make human's lose the appetite for meat?
  Combines, tractors and what not would be "blessed by Jah" so as not to break down nor wear out. Let's see God can't be bothered to show up ONCE in the past 2,000 years....um....he's going to get his fat ass off the privy and fix my broken down tractor in paradise?
  I found it sad how childish and simplistic these boobs.....I mean BOE would paint paradise. In paradise we will never have any pain, hardship, care, nor want for anything. How stupid is that?
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  A Challenge For FunkyDerek... My Experiences With The Afterlife

  by FMZ in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey mate, don't mean to pick on you, but i know you are a good sport.

  ;) to all other non-believers, this thread is also for you..

  it seems you always want proof and evidence of some kind of afterlife, but always have a "reasonable explanation" for any evidence put forth.

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  EvilForce

  FMZ....thanks for sharing.
  HOWEVER....you knew this was coming right?
  Reading your post absolutely stuns me with how easily you will believe such hucksterism. Hmm....an older lady SOMEWHERE in your family background that liked hats. What woman in the 1930's, 40's and even 50's would NOT wear a hat. But I'm not here to beat up on you.....I just find the lack of real detail overwhelming. It seems your desire to believe is great. And maybe my desire NOT to believe is just as great.
  But thanks for sharing anyway. Looking forward to other's comments as well.
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  UN Creates Combined Strike Force

  by EvilForce in

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  2. humour

  there is a lot of talk about the united nations creating a combined strike force with troops from several nations included in it.

  could it work?

  let's take a look at one operation.

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  There is a lot of talk about the United Nations creating a combined strike force with troops from several nations included in it.
  Could it work? Let's take a look at one operation.
  A combined force beach landing on a tropical island.
  When the troops hit the beach.........
  
  The Royal Marines go fishing.
  The US Marines wait for CNN to arrive.
  The Indians build a Motel Six, a convenience store and gas station.
  The French don't care whose beach it is; it's French territory now, and say the English gave them no other choice.
  The Canadians watch the Americans very closely, then offer guard their landing strip.
  The Dutch have a beach party and smoke some dope saying the English don't understand them.
  The Italians go sunbathing.
  The Germans land and build a car factory.
  The Austrians just watch the Russians and Germans.
  The Chinese win the natives hearts and minds then kill them.
  The SEALs arrive after dark and kill anyone who is not a SEAL.
  The Aussies and Kiwis land then start fighting each other over a sheep.
  The South Americans send a contingent of 2000 generals.
  The South Africans start shooting at anyone with a tan.
  The Saudi's start drilling for oil.
  The Russians open a chain of massage parlours.
  The Brit airborne troops get charged with murder even though they have not opened fire yet.
  The Spanish are late.
  The Portuguese are late but blame the Spaniards.
  The Greeks and Turks turn up then send a bill to the Yanks and Brits.
  The British Army cannot come because all six of them have flu.
  The Japanese don't know who owns what ships and decide to sink them all.
  The Californian National Guard contingent won't land until someone opens a Starbucks.
  The New Yorkers paint their Amtrak's yellow and will take you ashore for 50 bucks.
  The Irish Army will be late because they say they are stll celebrating St. Patrick's Day.
  The Israeli's start building a kibbutz and shell the Palestinians as a precaution.
  The Scandinavians like it off shore and stay there killing whales for the Japanese.
  The Polish tunnel under the beach looking for coal.
  The Palestinians say it used to be theirs but the English gave it away.
  The Oklahomans have no damn idea what a beach is.
  The Scottish claim to have found the beach first but accuse the English of stealing it.
  The Mexicans invade Arizona by mistake.
  The Welsh say it's King Arthur's last resting place but the English stole it.
  The Swiss apply for a bank charter.
  The Lybians blow up two UN planes. The UN will send an Ambassador if the member states pay their dues.
  The Panamanians ask the U.S. what they should do.
  The EU want to set up a commission of 50,000 administrators paid for by the English.
  The Swedes just want to screw.
  The Romanians and Albanians finally arrive and surrender.
  The North Koreans have no idea what is going on but blame America anyway.
  Geoge W. Bush doesn't know where the island is, so he orders the U.S. Airforce to bomb Hawaii.
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  Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

  by Little Bo Peep in

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  2. bible

  hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

  i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

  i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

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  EvilForce

  I don't want to hijack the thread...but Alan, Alley, Nark, Lou, or others can you either post or PM the stake vs. cross info that's been mentioned in passing on this thread to me? I personally could care less one way or the other but this is a "hot button" issue for my active JW family. Thanks in advance!
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  Just want to tell you all I am drunk

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i do not give a shit if a mod locks this thread i am drunk - on my 4th margarrittta and i mix 1 part tequilla to 1 part mixer so they are strong and one can really taste the tequilla - and i am drunk and do not give a shit - oh and by the way i am not going on field service in the morning

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  EvilForce

  Smirnoff Green Apple is gross. It's like liking the bottom of a bird cage.
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  WOW, I'm the #2 poster, 2nd to Richie Rich (in the last 7 days)

  by Netty in

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  i just checked the statistics just for fun.

  i was surprised.

  coming to get ya, richie.

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  Well next time I'm in Arizona I may need to check out the Blue Boy in a Green 10/6 Hat !!! :P