Posts by isaacaustin

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

I have nothing more to say. After Mary's and Sacolton's last post there really is nothing more to say about the WT. EVEN IF they are on the money as far as all other doctrines they have conclusively failed in one big way.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

Has the Wt EVER prophecied something to happen, let's say call their interpretation "the Creator's promise" and this not occur? Has htis ever happened, even once?

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

firstly I am not jesus!

and as a woman couldn't start a new faith

Why not?

unfortunately women don't qualify biblical

Wrong

or at least I could but I'd have to readjust some scriptures on headship to do it and wear a lot of scarfs ^^

Not readjust. Just take the time to read and understand what is going on. Paul was refuting those old Jeish beliefs about women. Scarfs/headcoverings...shows a lack of understadning of verses. But back to the topic.

What would Jesus do in your scenario? Is that who we are supposed to imitate?

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

Reniaa,

Let's say Jesus were walking the earth as a man right now...as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. If he saw the issues in the org what would he do?

Would he:

Did he: "....disagree calling them all the names under the sun and spend the rest of our lifes trying to break and destroy them!..."
Did he: "....use it as an excuse to leave the teachings of the bible completely and enjoy all that immorality has to offer.(this is a limited One lifetime only offer, enjoy it while you can! whether you believe in god or not)..."
Did he: "...remain deeply unhappy but do nothing accept suffer in silence allowing bitterness to eat us up!..."
Did he "...accept the fault and the imperfection in the current doctrines but try and be possitive, working from within doing our best to change things by example and have a chance of getting our religion back on track"
Did he: "...leave completely and join another faith reckoning by simple reasoning that since the other is wrong this one is right! there's just a chance this could be the case. some will check it's doctrines thoroughly to make sure or others will not look to closely not willing to let themselves be dissolutioned again."
Or did he: "...create a whole new faith, if we feel the old one is beyond repair, but this takes a lot of bravery and courage with the knowledge that failure is a great possibilty, you need a lot of faith in God to take this final step..."

It is obvious what he would do. What would the org do to him? What sort of closed door meeting would they have with him? Hmm sounds similar to what happened at the Sanhedrin. What sort of annoucement would they make about him? Hmm sounds like a spiritual killing.

Where does that leave the WT?

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

Reniaa

Mary is the 3rd person in the last 20 minutes to ask you which of your alternative Jesus would have done. Asnwer the question Reniaa. What alternative would Jesus have taken?

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

And if a Witness were to use the name Jesus 'excessively' (according to JW standards) others would look at them like something is wrong with them.

Jesus also tells us in Acts 1 who we are to be witnesses of.

JWs are clear who they are witnesses of and it is not the person mentioned in Luke and Acts.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

Sacolton, you would think there should be some sort of disconnect in the Witnesses mind on 'persecution for the name of Jesus". It truly shows how the org sets itself up in the precise place of Jesus...and persecution for the sake of the orgs demands becomes equated to persection for the skae of Jesus. Sad indeed.

Reniaa,

isaacaustin since i'm not a practising witness and feel free to check with blonde if I'm quoting from a watchtower,

I didn't say you were quoting from. I said you were getting your info from. Your posting has the general tone of a WT on the subject of the 'where else is there to go.."

I cannot answer your question it doesn't apply to me and it fully as LOADED a question as Outlaws was lol

You can not answer what you think Jesus would have done if he were in the scenario you presented? You have answered why you can't. It doesn't apply to you. You don't try to follow Jesus. Thank you Reniaa.

(For the benefit of readers I reserve the right not to answer questions that are logical fallacies)

What logical fallacy?

All I stated was a simple example to show it isn't that easy just to leave a faith that we all have choices were to go from there!

Difficult indeed due to the WT programmming. I agree.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

Remember Outlaw, JWs thrive on perceived persectuion. They love to imagine they are being attacked and hated. It builds there percetion that they alone have the truth and helps to ease their cognitive dissonance. No one has attacked Reniaa, no one has attacked Witnesses in any way...we have simply knocked down the empty WT drivel she has tried to spread here.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

Reniaa's entire above post sounds like a nice paraphrase of a WT article. No Megs, Reniaa did not forget to include:

0/ leave the bible but leading a morale life according to what we ourselves define by our own personal judgement! which can cover working without gain for charities, bringing up a family, or just simply living.

It simply was not in the WT she was taking her info from to post. The WT portrays anyone who leaves the org as one who leaves the Bible, and subsequently all morality.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

isaacaustin

What would Jesus have done Reniaa? Answer Jerry in Chicago directly- not with another question.