Your experience, Mr Flipper, brought to mind the Milgram Experiment - obedience to what you BELIEVE to be authority beyond what you'd find personally acceptable.
MidwichCuckoo
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The meetings at the Kingdom Hall now are positively scary
by BonaFide inwhat was i thinking my entire life?
during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.
and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.
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The meetings at the Kingdom Hall now are positively scary
by BonaFide inwhat was i thinking my entire life?
during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.
and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.
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Maybe they couldn't understand your comment, BonaFide - far too 'deep' lol. Well done for having the nerve to speak up - keep us up to speed on your punishment
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How do you feel when you see groups of Jehovah's Witnesses in the ministry?
by nicolaou inregret, anger, frustration?
how about sadness, sorrow, sympathy, understanding, even compassion!.
it can be quite confusing at times, especially if some of those witnesses were your friends.
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MidwichCuckoo
When I see them now, I always think they look braindead and unhappy - just acting out a role, anxious to scuttle away.
However..She still has`nt answered my Questions on the Oral Sex Public Talk Thread........Reniaa..I`m Waiting!!...................LOL!!...OUTLAW
Lol Outlaw - the only questions JWs are confident of 'knowing' the answers to are those at the bottom of a Watctower page - as the answer is in the above text
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JW urban legends
by kurtbethel ini scraped these off of a jw message group, and they are too over the top to not pass along.
it is interesting to see that jws pass along these yarns just as their worldly friends do.
most of them have that vague "friend of a friend" quality that urban legends are well know for having.
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Bonafide - I heard the ''angels'' either side of the JW woman over 30 years ago - is it STILL doing the rounds? lol...
...I also heard the one about the car advertised for sale for about 5 quid, and no one enquired after it believing it to be a misprint - except for a poor pioneer who needed a car for the service (and, of course, it wasn't a misprint, and the young pioneer was now able to preach more effeciently)
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JW urban legends
by kurtbethel ini scraped these off of a jw message group, and they are too over the top to not pass along.
it is interesting to see that jws pass along these yarns just as their worldly friends do.
most of them have that vague "friend of a friend" quality that urban legends are well know for having.
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MidwichCuckoo
Lol - JWs LIVE for this stuff. If the bulldozer chap (number 3) misheard his boss, thinking he said 'Hall', that could mean too many places and would need clarifying. It's very clever that the dubs know what passed between this worker and his boss after said (imaginary) job was done, lol.
Even in their urban legends they manage to focus on cost/money (''The job was done at no expense to the brothers'' etc).
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No One Should Be Made to Choose ..LIES from July 09 Awake
by Hopscotch inthe following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?
in the july 2009 awake p29:
no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.
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MidwichCuckoo
I'm gobsmacked - nevertheless, I don't think active JWs actually 'take anything in', whatever is printed in a WT/Awake is unquestionable fact. And as another poster pointed out - this does not apply to them, as they have the Truth - but only to false religion (which is every other religion in existence, as any good JW knows, lol)
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What did you think about "apostates" when you were JW?
by Albert Einstein ini spent 17 years in jws, first 11 were very zealous.
i feel very stupid now to admitt - but until several months ago i really believed "apostates" and all people who left jws were kind of arogant, nasty, agresive, proud and i was afraid of getting in touch with them.. i remember finding coc book in a bookstore and (since i was very curious...) i touched it (with a great guilt feeling), opend it, and read it for maybe 2 minutes.... i was so afraid it will affect me somehow badly .... and that i will displease god by doing it .... i felt so bad by sining this way .... now i see there are more kind people among those who left, than in wtbs..... i started meeting some "apostates" in my town, i see they are more reasonable and often more spiritual than jws ... it is like coming out of the darkness ...... could you believe i was such an idiot?.
what about your experience?.
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MidwichCuckoo
I never saw any 'apostates' outside conventions - maybe they were there, but I'm not the most observant person in the world, lol. I always believed they were stupid, bitter and angry people (with no Christian qualities, anti-Christs). Now, of course, I think it's admirable that they give up their time etc trying to warn people about a dangerous cult.
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MidwichCuckoo
What Joseph said - there is nothing to 'prove'. The JWs have zero clue how they arrive at 1914.
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Does anyone have a scan of the 1966 Watchtower March 1st pg. 132?
by middleman ini need it for this quote "contrary to what some may think, it's not unkind and unloving to lay bare falsehood and corruption".
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thank-you so much guys........blessings................
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MidwichCuckoo
Sorry Middleman - I have the Watchtower CDROM, and copied and pasted from that, lol.
Good Luck with whatever you have planned!
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Does anyone have a scan of the 1966 Watchtower March 1st pg. 132?
by middleman ini need it for this quote "contrary to what some may think, it's not unkind and unloving to lay bare falsehood and corruption".
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thank-you so much guys........blessings................
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MidwichCuckoo
ShouldFalsehoodandCorruptionBeExposed?
What is more, it is considered uncharitable and unkind to expose the lie or publicize the wrong of another. People feel that it may not be the best policy to deceive and be untruthful, but to make known deception and uncover falsehood is regarded as being even worse. To do so often opens one to greater censure than is received by the person who commits the wrong.
This apathetic acceptance of corruption and falsehood is also noted in religious matters, especially now when ecumenical efforts are seeking to unite the many different religions. The teachings and practices of a religious organization may admittedly be false, misrepresenting true Christianity, yet to expose them as such is viewed as unchristian. You, no doubt, have noted this to be so.
Well, then, how do you feel about the matter? What if someone spoke out publicly against certain religious leaders, saying to them: "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. . . . When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." Would you think such language unbecoming to a Christian? Even though it were true, would you consider it wrong to undermine the reputation of respected religious leaders in that way?
What if a person used even stronger condemnatory language, saying: "Woe to you, theologians and clergymen, hypocrites! because you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. . . . Fools and blind ones! . . . Woe to you, theologians and clergymen, hypocrites! because you resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness. In that way you also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. . . . Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are you to flee from the judgment?"
Would such language immediately cause you to label the speaker an intolerant bigot? Many people may consider such speech entirely improper and unchristian. YetthesearethewordsofourLordJesusChrist,spokentotherespectedreligiousleadersofhisday! The only change in this direct quotation from the Bible is the substitution of the terms "theologians and clergymen" for "scribes and Pharisees." And this is most appropriate, for those men were the clergy of the first century among the Jews, even wearing distinctive garb to draw attention to their office, as many clergymen do today.—See John 8:44 and Matthew 23:1-36.
But why did Jesus speak in this way about those men? It was because they had misrepresented God and his teachings. Their false religious traditions and practices had misdirected people from the pathway of righteousness that leads to the kingdom of God. On an earlier occasion Jesus had said to certain religious leaders:
"You have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you, when he said: ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.’" And so Jesus said to his disciples: "Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."—Matt. 15:6-14.
So, then, when religious leaders and organizations of Christendom misrepresent God’s Word by teaching traditions of men, is it wrong to expose their false doctrines? When they claim to be following Christ and yet mix in worldly politics, is it a bad thing to publicize that their actions are unchristian and condemned by God? Should the truth be suppressed because it exposes falsehood and corruption? Never! Jesus never hesitated to speak the truth, even though he was killed at the instigation of the angered religious leaders for doing so.—John 17:14; Jas. 4:4.
Therefore, how will you respond when pointed statements are made about false religious teachings and corrupt practices? Will you immediately condemn the person or organization making the exposé? Do you feel it is all right to teach lies and misrepresent God’s Word, but wrong to expose the error? Contrary to what some may think, it is not unkind and unloving to lay bare falsehood and corruption.
Remember the example of Jesus Christ. He was the most loving and kind person to walk the earth. He was tender and compassionate, even with sinful harlots and tax collectors. Lovingly he forgave them their transgressions and helped them on the way to life. Rather than advertise their sins, he covered them over. Yet, at the same time, in some of the strongest language recorded in the Bible, Jesus exposed the stubborn, haughty religious leaders. This was really a loving service, for the false teachings and practices of those religionists were leading their followers to the pit of destruction. The people needed to know the truth if they were to gain God’s approval.—Matt. 23:15.
Therefore, it is right and proper to speak out strongly against falsehood and corruption. A person or organization that, in imitation of Jesus Christ, has the courage to do so deserves attention and respect.
THE line between right and wrong has become so indistinct to many persons that it is almost imperceptible. Policemen take payoffs for overlooking traffic violations; citizens pad expenses on income-tax returns; married persons are unfaithful to their mates and youths cheat on school examinations. Once almost everyone would have viewed such behavior as shocking, obviously wrong and deserving of censure. But now, while not being fully approved, it is generally accepted as natural—the way of life. "They all do it," people are frequently heard to say.